Spiderman 3

Trip · Post by **Trip** » Sat May 05, 2007 10:39 am

Heard the same from reviewers. What a shame to see such a promising franchise take a dive.

Batboy2/75 · Post by **Batboy2/75** » Sun May 06, 2007 4:55 pm

My only dig is they had way to many villains. This is what lead to the lack of character and story line development.

IMO they should have dropped the sandman. While a nice nod towards the early comic book, it wasted to much time. Plus, the sand man is second tier villian. The Sandman, the lizard, the shocker, and the vulture are all second tier villains. Spiderman's archenemies will always be the Green Goblin, Doc Oc, Kraven the hunter and Venom.

If they had devoted more time to Osborne and Venom story lines the movie would have been much better.

They also botched the Gwen Stacy story line.

A better villain for future movies would be a Kraven the Hunter story line.

Overall I give the movie a B-. While it didn't hit every note and tried to do to much, my 10 year old son & I enjoyed the movie. I try to remember that it's based on a comic book.

BB2/75

DARTH · Post by **DARTH** » Sun May 06, 2007 5:34 pm

I've beens saying Kraven the Hunter should be in a Spiderman movie since before Rami made the first one.

Abandoned by Wolves · Post by **Abandoned by Wolves** » Sun May 06, 2007 5:57 pm

Jack wrote:Save your money.

With all that talent in the film, all that potential, and the best writers in Hollywood vying for the job, it's hard to believe they fucked up so goddamn badly.

I have a friend who does scene construction and video engineering for film and TV outfits using the Midwest to shoot movie and TV scenes and commercials and whatnot , and I like his take on it. Wes says, essentially, that "movie making is such an intricately involved and collaborative process that it's a miracle that any good movies are ever produced at all."

Sounds like divine intervention failed to materialize for Spiderman 3.

I'd be willing to bet that they thought they could save (or at least give it better shape and structure) in the post production edit, but the creators just couldn't bear to "kill their babies".

Oh well, at least "Ghost Rider" wasn't too bad, and "Rise of The Silver Surfer" looks promising.

TomFurman · Post by **TomFurman** » Sun May 06, 2007 7:37 pm

I think the Rock should play Kraven the Hunter. Very over the top, agile, and deadly. That would be great casting.

--Tom

DARTH · Post by **DARTH** » Mon May 07, 2007 1:31 am

Good casting Tom.

TomFurman · Post by **TomFurman** » Mon May 07, 2007 2:18 am

My kids enjoyed it and the script was all over the place. It was a popcorn movie and fun though. It's good to be home from PA, and see a movie with my family and leave with a good feeling as it rains lightly and the lightening lights up the tropical skies.

The Silver Surfer preview looked cool. I always remember that they ARE COMICS BOOKS AND NOT WAR AND PEACE. ;-)) Let's not be the guys in the Bill Shatner skit who are asking about the Evil Kirk in Star Trek number 22.

--Tom

___________ · Post by **___________** » Mon May 07, 2007 4:06 am

Mine was bundled with a Bourne Ultimatium trailer.
Fuck Yeah!

Batboy2/75 · Post by **Batboy2/75** » Mon May 07, 2007 4:11 am

Jack wrote:
Batboy2/75 wrote: I try to remember that it's based on a comic book.

BB2/75
Funny how NO ONE brings that up when the movie is a killer success. Wanna see comic book done well, better than most drama, watch The Hulk.

Spiderman one and two were excellent. Three is garbage, but garbage and camp are excellent for kids, so no harm done.

Movies are art, and tent pole movies are required to deliver. This one missed the mark. When he gets the spidey suit out at the end, there is no visceral reaction (think Magua getting killed or Tom Cruise killing everything in sight in the Korean bar in Collateral) Parker gets the suit out of the case and you feel....nothing. Ho hum. Swing and a miss. That is the fault of both writer and even more, Rami the Director. He knows better.

On The Soup they had an excellent montage of Toby and his co-stars speaking on various talk shows, and every comment was a back handed compliment about how they don't like the genre, are glad it's all over, etc. You could see it, feel it, in the movie...no heart.

We'll have to agree to disagree. The Hulk movie was utter trash.

I agree that Spiderman 3 wasn't as good as 1 or 2, but it was still fun to watch. The comic book reference wasn't aimed at you Jack, just a general observation.

BB2/75

Batboy2/75 · Post by **Batboy2/75** » Mon May 07, 2007 4:13 am

MarcoFuckingPolo wrote:Mine was bundled with a Bourne Ultimatium trailer.
Fuck Yeah!

A third Bourne movie should be great.

Fantastic 4 was kind of week. I hope the second movie with the silver surfer is better.

BB2/75

TomFurman · Post by **TomFurman** » Mon May 07, 2007 5:31 am

Your point is taken Jack. You are talking to a guy that lived and breathed Marvel in his youth. Peter Parker in Spiderman is not Jean Val Jean in Les Miserables. Not as much character depth. Spidey 3 was all over the place, but bigger, faster, and more complex is generally the theme in sequels. The last X-men sucked. THAT was a huge disappointment.

My idea for a good comic film?? Many superhero's vs Thanos.

--Tom

DARTH · Post by **DARTH** » Mon May 07, 2007 6:42 pm

Secret War stuff!

GoDogGo! · Post by **GoDogGo!** » Mon May 07, 2007 6:46 pm

DARTH wrote:Secret War stuff!

Since you brought it up, what was the deal with the black suit that Spiderman acquired in the Secret Wars? Did that stick around, turn into Venom, or what gives? I was never much of a Marvel fan.

GDG!

Ronald RayGun · Post by **Ronald RayGun** » Mon May 07, 2007 11:09 pm

GoDogGo! wrote:Since you brought it up, what was the deal with the black suit that Spiderman acquired in the Secret Wars? Did that stick around, turn into Venom, or what gives? I was never much of a Marvel fan.

The black suit is a symbiotic alien that hitched a ride on Spidey after the Secret Wars. Long story short; the alien tried to bond with Spidey making him much stronger, but slowly turned him into a killer. When he almost killed The Shocker by attempting to flatten him with big slab of brick wall he decided that he hated what the alien was doing to him and tried to get rid of it. After a few failed attempts to do so he finally found himself in the tower of a church. The bells rang, the alien freaked and he was able to ditch the suit. It found it's way onto a complete douche bag named Eddie Brock, thus creating one of the stupidest villains in the history of comics...Venom. Like every character that Todd Macfarlane is involved with Venom looks really cool, but there's nothing to him really. All style, no substance.

GoDogGo! · Post by **GoDogGo!** » Mon May 07, 2007 11:25 pm

Ronald RayGun wrote:
The black suit is a symbiotic alien that hitched a ride on Spidey after the Secret Wars. .

Okay, so what happened to the black Secret Wars suit? I remember that he ran out of web juice or something in the early issues, then found some alien technology that made him a new (black) suit, complete with webshooters.

I stopped reading SW soon after, because it became monumentally stupid. Even the art began to suck.

EDIT: never mind, wikipedia to the rescue. It was the same suit. I get it now.

GDG!

DARTH · Post by **DARTH** » Tue May 08, 2007 5:56 pm

Hulk sucked. That's 2 now.

GoDogGo! · Post by **GoDogGo!** » Tue May 08, 2007 9:43 pm

Jack wrote:It's possible for two people to have no taste in film, hell it's possible for millions to have no clue what good film is. I give you SAW as an excellent example. Or, Hills Have Eyes, Saw What you Did.. movies, whatever. 2, LOL.

Tell me why it sucked.

Are you saying that you thought "Saw" sucked? I've only seen the first one, but IMO it was a nice, twisty, claustrophobic puzzle. Alas it seemed to have spawned a zillion films featuring cruelty for cruelty's sake.

GDG!

Pinky · Post by **Pinky** » Tue May 08, 2007 10:12 pm

Jack's flailing to justify his position because he knows he should have mentioned "Batman Begins". It's clearly a better movie than Hulk. It had ninjas.

DARTH · Post by **DARTH** » Tue May 08, 2007 10:31 pm

NINJAS!

Maza · Post by **Maza** » Tue May 08, 2007 11:15 pm

I have to agree with the jeek, Hulk was an excellent superhero comic book flick, prolly the best Marvel one so far. Batman begins was better though.
I can't believe that anyone actually liked Ghost Rider. I thought it was one of the worst movies I've ever seen.

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Tue May 08, 2007 11:18 pm

Hulk licked.

GoDogGo! · Post by **GoDogGo!** » Wed May 09, 2007 12:42 am

"Hulk" was badly paced, seriously dragging in spots. Also not much attention paid to the personality conflicts of whatsisname, and that bit with the mutant dogs really jumped the shark. That was just dumb.

GDG!

GoDogGo! · Post by **GoDogGo!** » Wed May 09, 2007 1:31 am

Jack wrote:
GoDogGo! wrote:"Hulk" was badly paced, seriously dragging in spots. Also not much attention paid to the personality conflicts of whatsisname, and that bit with the mutant dogs really jumped the shark. That was just dumb.

GDG!
This from the guy who thought 'Ya Ya Sisterhood....' rocked!

Never saw it. I believe you're thinking of Shape, who has the "Ya Ya" Criterion Collection Platinum DVD Box Set. Specially bundled with a sneak preview of "Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants" and a guide to using the BGE for highlight frosting of his new 'do.

GDG!

DARTH · Post by **DARTH** » Wed May 09, 2007 1:41 am

Batman Begins and Spiderman 1 were the best superhero movies, IMO.

Road to Perdition and From Hell were excellent graphic novel based movies.

Schlegel · Post by **Schlegel** » Thu May 10, 2007 2:41 am

It's a shame. I had thought that the Spiderman guys had learned a lesson from the awfull Batman movies... treat your story seriously and DON"T HAVE TOO MANY VILLAINS!

I guess they forgot it, and the Batman guys figured it out for once.

IGX

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