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When did @fit start banning IP addresses from viewing the message boards? I knew they banned IP addresses from posting but viewing is a new form of paranoia. The funny thing is I have access to more IP addresses then Bill Gates. My conversion must have them on high alert.

Anyway flaming on the affiliate blogs is where its at these days.

I can't really remember if I said that I "hate" the cult. I know I've said that I still have friends who are affiliates and I feel for their difficulties.
Like the Rev said, it's a trainwreck. Can't. . .look. . .away.

Luckily, I never amounted to much more than an intraweb wiseass over there, so no one hates on me.

Question for anyone who may know. So now x-fit is into the 'scaling' of the WOD to make it, I would suppose, more palatable to, I would suppose, people who think their daily workout should not leave then vomiting, crippled or hospitalized.

Are there any scaling rules? How should weight, repetitions, and time be adjusted for proper scaling? How does one progress int he scaling?

As to the claims of superiority of this system over all others, how long does one need to be doing x-fit to outperform just about everybody at just about everything? One must follow the WOD as prescribed, as often as prescribed, for how long as prescribed before achieving these preternatural physical and mental attributes? If one scales, how then does s/he compare to physically inferior persons such as olympic and pro-athletes and elite military personnel?

Honest questions. Seriously. I mean, its demands for scientific this and for controlled study that, but never either are available as it applies to x-fit. What percentage of their following can outperform whom at what for how long in what way?

Let's just settle this shit. I guess what we need Steve is to design a study, a task of some sort and we have a core sample of xfitters who do nothing but the WOD, and another group that follows a protocol designed by say El Capitan Jack perform that task and see how they do. Maybe we standardize for experience, age, height, and body weight give or take a few years and a few pounds. No ringers i.e. some national caliber oly lifter. We'd have to keep the task secret since the training would be skewed by both parties to prepare for the task but it would have to account for strength, stamina, cardio and balls that tests the entire system. It would also have to be designed by an impartial group to avoid favoring one philosophy over the other. We also want it to be as least skill based as possible i.e. no barbells, truck tire flips, rope climbing etc. How 'bout something like a truck loaded with 50 bags of something that weight 75-100 lbs. each that must be unloaded and carried up a flight or two of stairs. Same truck, bags, distance to carry, etc. One individual works the entire truck. As few rules as possible on the task to keep it simple. You want to carry two bags at a time have at it. Take 16 weeks to train then the test. Combine the times. Lowest total time results in the superior training system. Losing team must bend over and spread their ass cheeks and prepare for something to be inserted...winning team gets to pick what gets inserted. The pressure to win will be extreme.

Sua Sponte wrote:Question for anyone who may know. So now x-fit is into the 'scaling' of the WOD to make it, I would suppose, more palatable to, I would suppose, people who think their daily workout should not leave then vomiting, crippled or hospitalized.

Are there any scaling rules? How should weight, repetitions, and time be adjusted for proper scaling? How does one progress int he scaling?

They've always been into scaling. Well, for at least since I started visiting hte site some 4 years ago. The info is on their site. They in particular recommend the workouts published in some Men's magazine.

Does anyone know why Navy SEALs do Crossfit?

CP!isnowSEEPEE wrote:Does anyone know why Navy SEALs do Crossfit?

Seals do CF for the same reason that Rant and I, and lot's of others did CF, it appeals to the hardcore. Be involved in a fitness comp every day - fuck yeah!. There's plenty to like about CF, as a program, as has been dicussed ad nauseum. What I do, varied circuits of "functional movements" at a brisk pace isn't so different, except it's totally different in concept and execution.

After a year or so most will either modify it beyond recognition it, scale it, or drop it for some other hardcore thing. A few will stay longer.

But if you've got that "I'm the fittest guy in the room" gene, it begs to be at least tried.

Does anyone know what the gist of this thread is?

nafod wrote: They've always been into scaling. Well, for at least since I started visiting hte site some 4 years ago. The info is on their site. They in particular recommend the workouts published in some Men's magazine.

This is what the have on their site menu'd under "start here"

crossfit site wrote:In any case it must be understood that the CrossFit workouts are extremely demanding and will tax the capacities of even the world's best athletes. You would be well advised to take on the WOD carefully, cautiously, and work first towards completing the workouts comfortably and consistently before "throwing" yourself at them 100%. The best results have come for those who've "gone through the motions" of the WOD by reducing recommended loads, reps, and sets while not endeavoring towards impressive times for a month before turning up the heat. We counsel you to establish consistency with the WOD before maximizing intensity.

So where are the scaling rules? For people fairly new to exercise, or this type of exercise in particular, that's not particularly helpful information. If these guys are winning contracts to instruct military, law enforcement and firefighters, there must be some introductory program to assess and prescribe a graduated level of increased intensity and power output?

And, without wanting to get into semantics arguments, if scaling were emphasized, there would be more than this paragraph in plain sight when entering the site. The first thing the newbie sees most prominently upon entering the site is the WOD.

Aside from the above in "start here" is a link to a discussion site. All in all, not a lot there to get the novitiate moving. Especially those coming from sedentary life styles. Couple this with the internet tough guy bashing of people who struggle the overall effect is not one of emphasis in anything other than their anecdotal (if that) assertions of their innate superiority. Which brings us back to the rest of the questions.

ab g-d wrote: Seals do CF for the same reason that Rant and I, and lot's of others did CF, it appeals to the hardcore. Be involved in a fitness comp every day - fuck yeah!. There's plenty to like about CF, as a program, as has been dicussed ad nauseum. What I do, varied circuits of "functional movements" at a brisk pace isn't so different, except it's totally different in concept and execution.

After a year or so most will either modify it beyond recognition it, scale it, or drop it for some other hardcore thing. A few will stay longer.

But if you've got that "I'm the fittest guy in the room" gene, it begs to be at least tried.

This a very good point. It also goes to all the internet claims by this guy or that about training "elite military units." Elite military units try just about everything to measure its efficacy and applicability. For all we know, there could be some guy who attaches a handle to a metal ball and tries to sell that as something that elite military units use to de-pussify their training.

The key question is: Have the SEALs changed the BUD/S PT program away from the program in use, highly evolved from nearly 70 yrs of experience, to x-fit methods? Do x-fitters go to BUD/S and blow it away? No, in both cases.

Active operators have tried and used x-fit, some are apparently still with it, but do they all? No. Do they do things besides x-fit? Yes.

Shapecharge wrote:Let's just settle this shit. I guess what we need Steve is to design a study, a task of some sort and we have a core sample of xfitters who do nothing but the WOD, and another group that follows a protocol designed by say El Capitan Jack perform that task and see how they do. Maybe we standardize for experience, age, height, and body weight give or take a few years and a few pounds. No ringers i.e. some national caliber oly lifter. We'd have to keep the task secret since the training would be skewed by both parties to prepare for the task but it would have to account for strength, stamina, cardio and balls that tests the entire system. It would also have to be designed by an impartial group to avoid favoring one philosophy over the other. We also want it to be as least skill based as possible i.e. no barbells, truck tire flips, rope climbing etc. How 'bout something like a truck loaded with 50 bags of something that weight 75-100 lbs. each that must be unloaded and carried up a flight or two of stairs. Same truck, bags, distance to carry, etc. One individual works the entire truck. As few rules as possible on the task to keep it simple. You want to carry two bags at a time have at it. Take 16 weeks to train then the test. Combine the times. Lowest total time results in the superior training system. Losing team must bend over and spread their ass cheeks and prepare for something to be inserted...winning team gets to pick what gets inserted. The pressure to win will be extreme.

I can't even imagine the whining that would go on about the results of such a test. Why 50 bags, why 75-100lbs, why that many steps? If it had been this many lbs, with this many bags on that set of stairs, everything would've changed.

Besides, there *may* be some members of a certain team that would see being the insertee not the inserter as the winning outcome.

The new Marines Combat Fitness test would be a good candidate.

http://www.militarytimes.com/multimedia ... 9__141602/

Here's a good thread on arguments pro and con about it.

http://www.militarytimes.com/forum/show ... ?t=1561150

Yep, nothing says combat fitness like tests in tees and no combat load on perfect flat, even terrain. I can't even count the number of times I've had to repetitively push press a 30 lb ammo can over my head. They could have at least brought back the 'run, dodge and jump' from the old Army PT test.

Good military PT tests: The Royal Marine commando tests. The best Ranger competition (this one is even better as it tests the ability of the soldier to continue to function under physical and mental duress). The British Para P-company. Land navigation under load over any type of terrain you can find. Stress shoots. Obstacle courses. Speed marches followed by shoot/no shoot CQB scenarios. Long, heavy marches after extended sleep and food deprivation.

Sua Sponte wrote:Good military PT tests: The Royal Marine commando tests. The best Ranger competition (this one is even better as it tests the ability of the soldier to continue to function under physical and mental duress). The British Para P-company. Land navigation under load over any type of terrain you can find. Stress shoots. Obstacle courses. Speed marches followed by shoot/no shoot CQB scenarios. Long, heavy marches after extended sleep and food deprivation.

Those would probably be pretty hard to conduct for the entire Marine Corps on a semi-annual basis.

Sua Sponte wrote:So where are the scaling rules? For people fairly new to exercise, or this type of exercise in particular, that's not particularly helpful information. If these guys are winning contracts to instruct military, law enforcement and firefighters, there must be some introductory program to assess and prescribe a graduated level of increased intensity and power output?

And, without wanting to get into semantics arguments, if scaling were emphasized, there would be more than this paragraph in plain sight when entering the site. The first thing the newbie sees most prominently upon entering the site is the WOD.

You'd think so, but there's just the link to the BrandX scaled workouts. Any more systematic approach is left up to individual affiliate training or your own nugget.

Yes, many disagree with this.

Shapecharge wrote:Let's just settle this shit. I guess what we need Steve is to design a study, a task of some sort and we have a core sample of xfitters who do nothing but the WOD, and another group that follows a protocol designed by say El Capitan Jack perform that task and see how they do. Maybe we standardize for experience, age, height, and body weight give or take a few years and a few pounds. No ringers i.e. some national caliber oly lifter. We'd have to keep the task secret since the training would be skewed by both parties to prepare for the task but it would have to account for strength, stamina, cardio and balls that tests the entire system. It would also have to be designed by an impartial group to avoid favoring one philosophy over the other. We also want it to be as least skill based as possible i.e. no barbells, truck tire flips, rope climbing etc. How 'bout something like a truck loaded with 50 bags of something that weight 75-100 lbs. each that must be unloaded and carried up a flight or two of stairs. Same truck, bags, distance to carry, etc. One individual works the entire truck. As few rules as possible on the task to keep it simple. You want to carry two bags at a time have at it. Take 16 weeks to train then the test. Combine the times. Lowest total time results in the superior training system. Losing team must bend over and spread their ass cheeks and prepare for something to be inserted...winning team gets to pick what gets inserted. The pressure to win will be extreme.

How about Stosh's 30 min DL comp w/315#. Strength, endurance, a clock, it's got the necessary components.

How about Stosh's 30 min DL comp w/315#. Strength, endurance, a clock, it's got the necessary components.



Since most of 'em can't pull 315, there would be alot of scaling Imagine the comments;" Since I can't deadlift 315, I used 65# and I got 100 reps in 12 minutes. AWESOME WORKOUT, COACH!!"

rjudo wrote:How about Stosh's 30 min DL comp w/315#. Strength, endurance, a clock, it's got the necessary components.



Since most of 'em can't pull 315, there would be alot of scaling Imagine the comments;" Since I can't deadlift 315, I used 65# and I got 100 reps in 12 minutes. AWESOME WORKOUT, COACH!!"

Now you mention that...i coulda used a PVC pipe this morning...

Inman Mile.

steelydan wrote:Inman Mile.

Too specific.

Cultfitters already know about the Inman mile and is one of their trophy case feats or at least it used to be.

A carry and load would be perfect as long as no one train specifically for such a contest.

Having to carry a 100# sandbag and stack those fuckers from the floor or waist high to head height would be an awesome test.

I brought up something similar at the CF board before. There were a few good ideas.

“What we’ve discovered is that CrossFit increases work capacity across broad time and modal domains. This is a discovery of great import and has come to motivate our programming and refocus our efforts… We’ve come to see increased work capacity as the holy grail of performance improvement and all other common metrics like VO2 max, lactate threshold, body composition, and even strength and flexibility as being correlates—derivatives, even. We’d not trade improvements in any other fitness metric for a decrease in work capacity”. “Understanding Crossfit”, Greg Glassman

Modal domains ...

brandi

do you ever actually lift anything heavy? or are you just multi-net inter-forum know-it-all?

Ed Zachary wrote:

steelydan wrote:Inman Mile.

Too specific.

Cultfitters already know about the Inman mile and is one of their trophy case feats or at least it used to be.

A carry and load would be perfect as long as no one train specifically for such a contest.

Having to carry a 100# sandbag and stack those fuckers from the floor or waist high to head height would be an awesome test.

Gonna give this a go in October:

http://www.dynamicbarbell.com/node/105