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wtf wrote:Couch is kinda racist in that. All that talk about chinks. :-"

wtf wrote:Couch is kinda racist in that. All that talk about chinks. :-"

I put this on the main sites comments, so sorry if you're reading it twice. but this is how I feel on the issue of the video.

If we go by games standards, the only thing wrong with their burpees was a muted hip, and some reps didn't have a clap at the top of their heads. Yes, technically most of the burpees didn't count due not opening the hips all the way, but that does not take away from a great performance by all. And I highly doubt in the thrawls of a rediculous work-out, everyone has had every rep in perfect form.

To put a number on it CrossFit asks for no more than 20% degredation on form.

These are a couple of quotes from Pat Sherwood during a Level-1 Cert on the subject in an article on T-nation. Hopefully Pat doesn't mind me using these.
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_...up_by_CrossFit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Unsafe is unacceptable," Sherwood said. "But perfect form is also unacceptable. What we look for is CrossFit slop."

The sloppy ideal is a small breakdown in technical form, maybe 20 percent off from perfect. In CrossFit, that's the optimal balance of effort and safety. "That's where the intensity is," Sherwood said.

"Technique only has to be good enough to increase the intensity," Sherwood answered. "The goal is never perfect form. Remember, it's the speed of the set that is the goal."

So to sum up their WOD.
Safety- Check, some degredation on form,certainly, but not enought to injure (or their trainers would have stopped them. They know their clients better than you do)
Intensity- Check


I don't feel that I'm trying to justify their forms were good enough for the times to count. I feel that due to full ROM not being acheived that these should not be counted as PR's, however they still worked their a$$'s off. I don't think form degredation and not getting full ROM are the same thing.

You can have full ROM with form degredation.

Form degredation and not having full ROM should not be counted towards PR's. I beleive that this video falls in this categorey.

But, again, they still work their butts off during the WOD, they just had some ROM issues.

Safety- Check, some degredation on form,certainly, but not enought to injure (or their trainers would have stopped them. They know their clients better than you do)

Coochy Coochy Coo wrote:B2 #69,

The line was an original observation and formulation belonging to Mark Twight, and so I quote him whenever I repeat it. It's a common measure of courtesy and intellectual honesty.

Mark and I have our differences, but none of that is made any better by my ignoring his contributions or plagiarizing his work(s).
Comment #71 - Posted by: Coach at April 20, 2009 10:08 PM

Resident Quack wrote:I could only guess that was posted by the King of the Kool-Aid guzzling contest, Bingo...

Safety- Check, some degredation on form,certainly, but not enought to injure (or their trainers would have stopped them. They know their clients better than you do)

protobuilder wrote:I guess Couch's form broke down right when he fell off the rings in 1978?

"Safety" and "20% degradation in form" are pretty nebulous.

Resident Quack wrote:

protobuilder wrote:I guess Couch's form broke down right when he fell off the rings in 1978?

=D> =D> =D>
He was totally testing the boundaries of intensity, stuff mere mortals can never approach.

offroadbiker wrote:I'm going to squat today and will stop my set when my form breaks down by 19.5%. Don't want to risk the other 0.5%.

The Bastard Son of the Shafman wrote:The sumo deadlift high pull is probably the dumbest, most useless movement in the CF arsenal of stupid movements with the thruster coming in not too far behind.

The Bastard Son of the Shafman wrote:The sumo deadlift high pull is probably the dumbest, most useless movement in the CF arsenal of stupid movements with the thruster coming in not too far behind.

1-Air Squat => 4-Front Squat => 7-OverHead Squat
2-Shoulder Press => 5-Push Press => 8-Push Jerk
3-Deadlift => 6-Sumo Deadlift High Pull => 9-Medecine Ball Clean

The Sumo Dead Lift High Pull: This movement is a precursor to the clean. It teaches proper kinetic chain when taking something from the ground to the chest. It is also a more functional version of the clean

As far as hundreds of olympic weightlifters learning their moves without the SDHP, I understand. People used to make cars without airbags too, but then we saw a better way and adapted, there is no reason to believe that this shouldn't be done in the exercise phys world either.

Gin Master wrote:Screw y'all for bringing this up. I had to search. Now my eyes are bleeding.

http://board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?t=37993" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

CFs 9 foundational movements and their progressions:

1-Air Squat => 4-Front Squat => 7-OverHead Squat
2-Shoulder Press => 5-Push Press => 8-Push Jerk
3-Deadlift => 6-Sumo Deadlift High Pull => 9-Medecine Ball Clean

The med ball clean is at the top of the mountain, baby!

So why do the high pulls?

The Sumo Dead Lift High Pull: This movement is a precursor to the clean. It teaches proper kinetic chain when taking something from the ground to the chest. It is also a more functional version of the clean

As far as hundreds of olympic weightlifters learning their moves without the SDHP, I understand. People used to make cars without airbags too, but then we saw a better way and adapted, there is no reason to believe that this shouldn't be done in the exercise phys world either.

The Sumo Dead Lift High Pull: This movement is a precursor to the clean. It teaches proper kinetic chain when taking something from the ground to the chest. It is also a more functional version of the clean

As far as hundreds of olympic weightlifters learning their moves without the SDHP, I understand. People used to make cars without airbags too, but then we saw a better way and adapted, there is no reason to believe that this shouldn't be done in the exercise phys world either.

Shane,

These movements were chosen because they are universal motor recruitment patterns. First, they are a progression on each other, that I won't explain since Frederic did such a good job. Bottom line is that you can't clean until you can Dead lift and front squat. As far as the pressing movements being the same with different levels of hip involvement, think of each one in the progression as a more efficient means to the same end as the one before. The most efficient way (and maybe the only way by proxy of the size of the object to be lifted) to get something from chest to overhead is the Push Jerk, and putting things overhead for one reason or another is important.

I said that these movements are universal motor recruitment patterns. Basically what that means is that if you desire to get better at things that involve the human body, you need to do these things well. If you want to jump high or far, you need to squat, clean and dead lift. If you want to run fast... same. As far as the over head stuff goes, they illicit some of the strongest contractions of the core and require enormous amounts of midline stabilization. That translates to all of sport.

The Sumo Dead Lift High Pull: This movement is a precursor to the clean. It teaches proper kinetic chain when taking something from the ground to the chest. It is also a more functional version of the clean (in a manner of speaking, I know there is no drop under or third pull). Think about it like this: if your buddy gets shot in the streets of Iraq are you going to run him through with a bar so you can clean him up to your shoulder, or are you going to straddle him with your hands inside of your feet, violently extend your hips and then drop under him?