IGX

This desperate rush to collect $500K by the deadline reminds me of a story.

In my yoot, I lived on a ski resort. Halfway through the season, people start asking around after this french guy named Guy. "Have you seen Guy?" or "If you see Guy, tell him I need to talk to him."

After about two weeks enough people are looking for him that they start to put the pieces together. Apparently, he approached a couple of hundred resort staff with this story: "Eh, I am driving up to Banff dis weeken' to get some pot, eh? You want to go in wit' me? Gimme a hundred bucks, and I will split it wit' you, eh?"

Once Guy had collected from all his "buisness partners" he took the first Greyhound back to Kaybeck City.

Get the money, and get the fuck out of Dodge. It's one of the oldest tricks in the book.

The Gaymes are like street fairs...brings the freaks out of hiding...

CultBuster wrote:http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/Cros ... isode1.wmv

For fucks sake! B-Boi getting called out for juicing...classic! Anyone seen the figh a while back on CFNYC between THEM and Alli Tits?

Nowhere in that video is there even any mention of B-Boi. WTF are you talking about?

Kraj wrote:

CultBuster wrote:http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/Cros ... isode1.wmv

For fucks sake! B-Boi getting called out for juicing...classic! Anyone seen the figh a while back on CFNYC between THEM and Alli Tits?

Nowhere in that video is there even any mention of B-Boi. WTF are you talking about?

In the comments of the Hot Chicks With Douchebags link, Shari calls out b-boi's steroid use, and ANYC calls her a hag.

BTW, am I the first to notice that Shari has a triple nipple, or is this common knowledge?

Clearly visible here:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_p9sbNgWhwjQ/S ... C04043.JPG

Old news Kraj.

This isn't the first time Shari fingercuffed those @FEnd boiz.

See...now this is IGx antics that an old broke dick fucker like Rant could get behind.

*** Jesus, this post was all fucked UP

The Bastard Son of the Shafman wrote:Old new Kraj.

It's tough to keep up with happenings here when you're always busy riding a win wave on the surfboard of success. I'll have to study up on this thread more.

When's the deadline for the RRG and what will be the extension date after Cooch rips everyone a new one on the forum?

I had to fix that fucking post.

Kraj wrote: When's the deadline for the RRG and what will be the extension date after Cooch rips everyone a new one on the forum?

Deadline is May 15th. They still have nearly 300k to go.

The over/under for cooch's extension after reaming his followers is set at 30 days.

Legal eagles,

What would be the ramifications of all new CrossFit clients signing non-liability forms such as "I agree that CrossFit is in no way responsible for any injuries or conditions I may incur during or after training... blah blah"? Would it hold up or would the trainers still be on the hook despite the client waiving all legal rights?

I axed my lawyer buddy that exact same question regarding a waiver form for clients I with KBs. He basically told me that waivers are feel good pieces of paper for the trainer, and they don't really mean jack shit in a courtroom.

His reasoning is that the client isn't educated enough in the risks of physical training for the waiver to mean anything. And the fact that they come to you seeking your experitise is proof enough that they're not educated.

Hey couch, what's your best recipe for a mixture of rhabdo and epicondylitis??? This?

Ten rounds for time of:
3 Weighted Pull-ups, 45 pounds
5 Strict Pull-ups
7 Kipping Pull-up

Sheesh.

But wait, the RRG stuff gets better...now they need $800k to get it going!
http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/Cros ... RGQnA1.mov

As far as couch giving a statement/deposition in the Makimba case, that obviously turned out well...

Kraj, I'm no lawyer, but here's what I can add. AFAIK, there is no waiver that would protect a trainer from a situation like this (no, this isn't a hypothetical situation, it's real):

• Free weekend large group workout
• Sign a waiver
• Very little to no time going over new client's history (injuries, medical, ability, training background)
• ~10min. of large group demo/education of the WAD's exercises
• Setting the group loose, noobs included, to do the workout as hard and fast as they can

Waivers can only do so much, they won't excuse outright negligence and a lack of due diligence on a trainer's part. Again, AFAIK.

Maybe a waiver isn't so much what @F trainers need...more like an informed consent (like the ones given to people before before medical procedures, outlining all the nasty things that could happen).

Kraj wrote:

The Bastard Son of the Shafman wrote:Old new Kraj.

It's tough to keep up with happenings here when you're always busy riding a win wave on the surfboard of success. I'll have to study up on this thread more.

When's the deadline for the RRG and what will be the extension date after Cooch rips everyone a new one on the forum?

We may have known about the 3rd nipple, but what we don't know is why she's never had it pierced.

The waivers had better include any and all wild-eyed statements that Couch has made about Rhabdo, death, etc, including any statements to the effect that "rhabdo is the side effect of our workouts" and similar stupid shit Couch has said. If the system's founder has made hyperbolic statements about teh program, but the waivers try to downplay it, then the victim can't be said to have fully understood the true risks of the program.

Look, these guys can't get insured. That alone is terrific evidence.

Counselor: "You wanted to get insurance, didn't you?"

Couch: "Yes."

Attorney: "You went to State Farm, and they wouldn't insure you."

Couch: "No."

Attorney: "American Family wouldn't either."

Couch: "No."

Attorney: "Travelers wouldn't touch you."

Couch: "No."

Attorney: "Shelter insurance wanted nothing to do with Crossfit."

Couch: "True."

Attorney: "In fact, not a single insurance company in the United States would insure you, right?"

Couch: "Right. BUT THAT'S BECAUSE I'M REVOLUTIONIZING THE FITNESS INDUSTRY BY UNITING THE MODAL DOMAINS OF FITNESS AND HEALTH ACROSS TIME!!!!"

Attorney: "That's all I have, your honor."

protobuilder wrote:Attorney: "In fact, not a single insurance company in the United States would insure you, right?"

Couch: "Right. BUT THAT'S BECAUSE I'M REVOLUTIONIZING THE FITNESS INDUSTRY BY UNITING THE MODAL DOMAINS OF FITNESS AND HEALTH ACROSS TIME!!!!"

Attorney: "That's all I have, your honor."

=D> =D> =D>

Here's a hypothetical question about the RRG:

Let's say I run an affiliate, Kraj Crossfit of Beverly Hills. Now, I really know my shit and I play it safe with clients. My clients are at no more risk training with me than they are driving to work or jerking off their bosses for raises. I've got myself covered in that sense.

Why would I pay into the RRG? If another affiliate is attacked by a lawsuit, what financial repercussions would that have for me, other than the possible loss of the "CrossFit" name? If CrossFit goes belly up because of some idiotic affiliates, how does that hurt me? I could just change my company to Kraj Elite Fitness and continue running my gym as I always have. The only thing I would lose is the right to use the term "CrossFit".

Am I missing something?

protobuilder wrote:The waivers had better include any and all wild-eyed statements that Couch has made about Rhabdo, death, etc, including any statements to the effect that "rhabdo is the side effect of our workouts" and similar stupid shit Couch has said. If the system's founder has made hyperbolic statements about teh program, but the waivers try to downplay it, then the victim can't be said to have fully understood the true risks of the program.

Look, these guys can't get insured. That alone is terrific evidence.

Counselor: "You wanted to get insurance, didn't you?"

Couch: "Yes."

Attorney: "You went to State Farm, and they wouldn't insure you."

Couch: "No."

Attorney: "American Family wouldn't either."

Couch: "No."

Attorney: "Travelers wouldn't touch you."

Couch: "No."

Attorney: "Shelter insurance wanted nothing to do with Crossfit."

Couch: "True."

Attorney: "In fact, not a single insurance company in the United States would insure you, right?"

Couch: "Right. BUT THAT'S BECAUSE I'M REVOLUTIONIZING THE FITNESS INDUSTRY BY UNITING THE MODAL DOMAINS OF FITNESS AND HEALTH ACROSS TIME!!!!"

Attorney: "That's all I have, your honor."

Frankly Proto, I'm a little saddened that you reserve your A-game for IGX, and so seldom grace us with your pwnage at the P&B.

Kraj wrote:Here's a hypothetical question about the RRG:

Let's say I run an affiliate, Kraj Crossfit of Beverly Hills. Now, I really know my shit and I play it safe with clients. My clients are at no more risk training with me than they are driving to work or jerking off their bosses for raises. I've got myself covered in that sense.

Why would I pay into the RRG? If another affiliate is attacked by a lawsuit, what financial repercussions would that have for me, other than the possible loss of the "CrossFit" name? If CrossFit goes belly up because of some idiotic affiliates, how does that hurt me? I could just change my company to Kraj Elite Fitness and continue running my gym as I always have. The only thing I would lose is the right to use the term "CrossFit".

Am I missing something?

No, you aren't. This is why you are full of win, Kraj; because you're a strategic thinker.

http://crossfitnyc.com/2008/08/dont-front.html

She just keeps on giving

http://www.crossfit.com/cf-affiliates/2 ... 90505.html

Without the RRG, we are all like the young lady in the photo above: A bit out of synch with her peers and about to draw some unwanted attention and correction.

Is it just my imagination, or is the young lady in the picture who's "about to draw a correction" doing the exercise better than everyone else in the picture?

JimZipCode wrote:

http://www.crossfit.com/cf-affiliates/2 ... 90505.html

Without the RRG, we are all like the young lady in the photo above: A bit out of synch with her peers and about to draw some unwanted attention and correction.

Is it just my imagination, or is the young lady in the picture who's "about to draw a correction" doing the exercise better than everyone else in the picture?

Yes. Very appropriate commentary for @F.

Waivers generally suck because you cannot consent (or waive your right) to negligence. If you're in a grappling tourney, and you break your arm, you can't sue because that shit happens in the course of the sport. But if you break your arm because the ref was drunk and he didn't see you tapping for 15 seconds, that is negligence, and you could sue.

It doesn't reach informed consent; that deals with risks that are inherent in the program, i.e. unavoidable risks. The @F rhabdo cases happen because some fuckbag makes a newbie do too many GHD situps. That takes us back to negligence.

Help out a brother who doesn't follow this thread very closely except to look at the neat pics.

Can we get a Reader's Digest version of what's going on with all the legal talk?

TIA, brohams.

Kraj wrote:Why would I pay into the RRG? If another affiliate is attacked by a lawsuit, what financial repercussions would that have for me, other than the possible loss of the "CrossFit" name? If CrossFit goes belly up because of some idiotic affiliates, how does that hurt me? I could just change my company to Kraj Elite Fitness and continue running my gym as I always have. The only thing I would lose is the right to use the term "CrossFit".

Actually, according to what I understand of "naked license" from HH, nearly anyone could defend themselves at this point "borrowing" the @F name...the *only* thing that this RRG is intended to protect is the mothership itself.

Considering that a large percentage of the affiliates likely couldn't run a successful gym business without the Kool-Aid brainwash customer-referring machine that is @F.com, most of them would probably be wise to support whatever will keep @FHQ running however they can. Some realize this, many likely don't (never say that @F doesn't increase ego across broad domains).

The run-down is this:

No one will insure CrossFit, so they are starting up their own insurance company which will be separate from CrossFit, Inc. or the individual gyms, but will provide them with insurance. This new insurance company requires start-up capital, which is why Cooch is pressuring affiliates to invest in it. Each affiliates $1000 is an investment in the insurance company, with an ownership share in return.

Once the capitalization requirements are met, the insurance company will become active and CrossFit affiliates will pay monthly insurance dues to the new CrossFit insurance company.

What these tards are doing is basically investing $1000 of their money into a start-up insurance company that is bound to fail. It's not a wise investment at all. On top of that, they'll have to pay a monthly insurance premium, which few of the affiliates even know about at this point.

Kraj wrote:On top of that, they'll have to pay a monthly insurance premium, which few of the affiliates even know about at this point.

Wait. You mean, insurance isn't free?

I keep wondering when one of tehse fucksticks will have the balls to call Couch out on how much money he and Cultfuck HQ have raked in over the years with their overpriced Certs. Take a look at the number of Certs going on each week....$1000 a head....several certs a week....measly cost of putting on a small seminar....

Couch has made WAY more than the $500k needed to fund the RRG. Why isn't Cultfuck HQ ponying up half, or all of the $500k to protect the Empire?? Isn't The Empire worth protecting, Couch???

Thanks for the overview.

Now, what happened with the guy that fell ill from X@ training?