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The Nightman wrote:http://crossfitfirebase.com/wp-content/ ... 01/023.jpg

So.......would you be covered by the Good Samaritan laws if you just gunned your SUV through the lot of them.

The Nightman wrote:http://crossfitfirebase.com/wp-content/ ... 01/023.jpg

So.......would you be covered by the Good Samaritan laws if you just gunned your SUV through the lot of them.

Anon wrote: Made me think of "Deathrace 2000"...lots of points to be had there.

Yes I Have Balls wrote:

The Nightman wrote:http://crossfitfirebase.com/wp-content/ ... 01/023.jpg

So.......would you be covered by the Good Samaritan laws if you just gunned your SUV through the lot of them.

Wouldn't do any good - they're all elite athletes. They'd be able to spring out of the way before any harm came to them. Unknown and unknowable fer sure!

Yes I Have Balls wrote:

The Nightman wrote:http://crossfitfirebase.com/wp-content/ ... 01/023.jpg

So.......would you be covered by the Good Samaritan laws if you just gunned your SUV through the lot of them.

Wouldn't do any good - they're all elite athletes. They'd be able to spring out of the way before any harm came to them. Unknown and unknowable fer sure!

theoverman wrote:these dipshits are discussing milton friedman on the mainpage of an excercise website.

theoverman wrote:these dipshits are discussing milton friedman on the mainpage of an excercise website.

friedquads wrote:

theoverman wrote:these dipshits are discussing milton friedman on the mainpage of an excercise website.

I think that Couch (and for that matter, other affiliate sites and variations of @Fit) puts those "thought provoking articles" up on the Rest Days to further Mind-Fuck the Sheeple.

theoverman wrote:

friedquads wrote:

theoverman wrote:these dipshits are discussing milton friedman on the mainpage of an excercise website.

I think that Couch (and for that matter, other affiliate sites and variations of @Fit) puts those "thought provoking articles" up on the Rest Days to further Mind-Fuck the Sheeple.

They end up just being opportunities for like Dale Saran to talk like a cunt.

Beelzebub wrote:Sorry. Cleanse.

Not to burst your bubble but the Wendler 5-3-1 is a program for an advanced lifter trying to peak for a meet. The extra conditioning or metcon is counter productive and dilute the strength gains. And I am going out on a limb here and say that maybe 0% of the people here are an advanced lifter. Before you take offense and want to tell me how strong you are, take a deep breath and realize that your definition of an advanced lifter and WSB's definition are very different.

Most people are not anywhere close to an advanced lifter and the program ends up not being as advantageous as you would imagine. As a test we actually did the 5-3-1 program mixed with CF Football metcons at SoCal SC last year and the results were not stellar. Robb Wolf did the same test in Chico last year as well and he did not get make gains like he did on CF Football. Nathan and Kate (we used a girl as well) did not make the gains that other athletes did with the other programs. In the end the CF Football program with it's blend of linear progressions for the beginning and collegiate and the 5x5's with DE and Max Efforts proved to make some serious gains, as the program is designed to work with metcons and not merley a program that is a hybrid.

I dig the Wendler 5-3-1 and think it works great for what it is designed for, peaking for a strength meet. I think you guys get too excited over the newest and latest and want to constantly re-design the wheel.

However, I think everyone should try new things and put things to the test. Fortunately, we are about 6 months ahead of you and I have some input on this.

Good luck.

friedquads wrote:Welbourn seems to have a problem with Wendler's 5/3/1 and puts CrossFit Football as the superior product.

http://www.board.crossfit.com/showthrea ... 621&page=3

Not to burst your bubble but the Wendler 5-3-1 is a program for an advanced lifter trying to peak for a meet. The extra conditioning or metcon is counter productive and dilute the strength gains. And I am going out on a limb here and say that maybe 0% of the people here are an advanced lifter. Before you take offense and want to tell me how strong you are, take a deep breath and realize that your definition of an advanced lifter and WSB's definition are very different.

Most people are not anywhere close to an advanced lifter and the program ends up not being as advantageous as you would imagine. As a test we actually did the 5-3-1 program mixed with CF Football metcons at SoCal SC last year and the results were not stellar. Robb Wolf did the same test in Chico last year as well and he did not get make gains like he did on CF Football. Nathan and Kate (we used a girl as well) did not make the gains that other athletes did with the other programs. In the end the CF Football program with it's blend of linear progressions for the beginning and collegiate and the 5x5's with DE and Max Efforts proved to make some serious gains, as the program is designed to work with metcons and not merley a program that is a hybrid.

I dig the Wendler 5-3-1 and think it works great for what it is designed for, peaking for a strength meet. I think you guys get too excited over the newest and latest and want to constantly re-design the wheel.

However, I think everyone should try new things and put things to the test. Fortunately, we are about 6 months ahead of you and I have some input on this.

Good luck.

Charismatic megafauna wrote:

friedquads wrote:Welbourn seems to have a problem with Wendler's 5/3/1 and puts CrossFit Football as the superior product.

http://www.board.crossfit.com/showthrea ... 621&page=3

Not to burst your bubble but the Wendler 5-3-1 is a program for an advanced lifter trying to peak for a meet. The extra conditioning or metcon is counter productive and dilute the strength gains. And I am going out on a limb here and say that maybe 0% of the people here are an advanced lifter. Before you take offense and want to tell me how strong you are, take a deep breath and realize that your definition of an advanced lifter and WSB's definition are very different.

Most people are not anywhere close to an advanced lifter and the program ends up not being as advantageous as you would imagine. As a test we actually did the 5-3-1 program mixed with CF Football metcons at SoCal SC last year and the results were not stellar. Robb Wolf did the same test in Chico last year as well and he did not get make gains like he did on CF Football. Nathan and Kate (we used a girl as well) did not make the gains that other athletes did with the other programs. In the end the CF Football program with it's blend of linear progressions for the beginning and collegiate and the 5x5's with DE and Max Efforts proved to make some serious gains, as the program is designed to work with metcons and not merley a program that is a hybrid.

I dig the Wendler 5-3-1 and think it works great for what it is designed for, peaking for a strength meet. I think you guys get too excited over the newest and latest and want to constantly re-design the wheel.

However, I think everyone should try new things and put things to the test. Fortunately, we are about 6 months ahead of you and I have some input on this.

Good luck.

clealry welbourne has either never read Jim's book or is too stupid to know he's talking out his own ass.

Sheep No.1 wrote:What? Is that your opinion?

I've read both of his books dealing with 5/3/1, and not once is that mentioned (in the book, or countless articles). In fact, they say the exact opposite. Enlighten me please.

Sheep No. 2 wrote:I'm no John Welbourn, but here's a direct quote from Jim Wendler's 5/3/1 book on page 74.

Question: Is this program for advanced or beginner lifters?

Answer: I’ve used this program with both beginning and advanced lifters. Steady, slow progression will never go out of fashion, and neither will the big exercises. The trick is to teach beginners correct form at the start. For advanced lifters, the most important thing is to remember long term goals, and not basing unrealistic maxes on what you did four years ago.

Doesn't look like this book is exclusive to the person trying to peak for a meet to me.

Charismatic megafauna wrote:clealry welbourne has either never read Jim's book or is too stupid to know he's talking out his own ass.

Everyone takes everything so personal, but that is the rule in the realm of keyboard samurais. So I guess if it isnt in the book than it cant be true.

So you read the books and articles...what about doing the training? As you are well read you should know that percentages are wasted on a beginning lifter. Linear progressions are ideal for a lifter with no adaption. Myself, I did a linear progression for years in my training and got stronger every time I walked into a gym. When I went to college we started messing with the WSB conjugated stuff I got really strong, when we mixed it with sprinting and heavy Oly lifting we got really fast, explosive and the strong. Rip forwarded me Wendler's book last year as they are friends and hang out. After I read the book Rip and discussed the training the conclusion was the 5-3-1 was excellent for advanced lifters but left some stuff on the table for the beginner. So we took the 5-3-1 and put 5 athletes on the program mixed it with metcons, sprinting and sledge dragging. We had a few other athletes doing german volume training, MaxFit USA, CF Football and Starting Strength. We have a lot of athletes and the we did not get the best gains out of novice and intermediate lifters. We got the best gains from a basic linear progression mixed with metcon or the amateur program on CF Football.

Here is some some exerts from the book:

Monte Sparkman – benched 440 at a meet using a 405 training max.
Jim Wendler – deadlifted 710 using nothing higher than a 650 training max.
Leigh An Jaskiewicz – benched 135x10 and 175x1 using nothing higher than a 140 training max.
Phil Wylie – deadlifted 677 at a meet with a highest training pull of 550x9.

Looks to be some pretty strong dudes. He does include a girl in their Leigh, no idea on her level of training. I do not claim to be an expert other than my full time job of lifting and training since I was 14 (about 20 years worth), competed at the top of my sport, run a good website that gets a lot of hits and therefore I get a lot of feed back on my training. I have learned from some good coaches starting with US Powerlifting coach George Zangas and going to Tom Shaw and Raphael Ruiz to learn to run. Todd Rice to oly lift, Angel Spazov and a few others.

I think most make it way to complicated. Lift heavy weights...walk in and try to get stronger every day if that is goal.

As I can tell you were angered that I might have some knowledge you do not, I can tell you as an athlete is exposed to training the ability to make gains become smaller and smaller, therefore the programs become more complicated and advanced.

I think everyone should try out everything so they can talk intelligently about all programs, find out what works for them and what does not.

A little exercise in creativity on rest day: Come up with 3 ways to tell if someone is a crossfitter, similar to the "you might be a redneck" test from Jeff Foxworthy. Here goes:

1. If you're lifting an engine block and think that it's lighter than expected, then you might be a crossfitter.

2. If you're walking around the supermarket doing kettlebell exercises with the 20lb cat litter boxes, then you might be a crossfitter.

3. If you wish you had one of those big tractor tires for your gym, then you might be a crossfitter.

4. If in your familiy picture for Christmas you're lifting your wife above your head, then you might be a crossfitter. Extra credit if the wife is doing the lifting. :)

WildGorillaMan wrote:One of you with an operational troll ask Welbourn if he would reccomend shit or shinola.

Yes I Have Balls wrote:Super, SUPER fucking faggotry from the mainpage today:

A little exercise in creativity on rest day: Come up with 3 ways to tell if someone is a crossfitter, similar to the "you might be a redneck" test from Jeff Foxworthy. Here goes:

1. If you're overhead squatting a lawnmower engine and think you look cool, then you might be a crossfitter.

2. If you're walking around the supermarket shirtless, doing kettlebell exercises with the 20lb cat litter boxes, then you might be a crossfitter.

3. If you wish you had one of those "big" 200 lb tractor tires for your gym, then you might be a crossfitter.

4. If in your familiy picture for Christmas you're lifting your wife above your head, and you're not wearing a shirt, then you might be a crossfitter. Extra credit if the wife is doing the lifting, as she's stronger than you and you probably both weigh the same anyways.