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Mickey O'neil · Post by **Mickey O'neil** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:36 pm

Kazuya Mishima wrote:There are some people...you can just look at them...and you want to run at them full speed and punch them in the face.

That guy is one of those people for me.

Mickey O'neil · Post by **Mickey O'neil** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:38 pm

CultBuster wrote:
Schoolgirl.jpg

Gottdamn. I'm going to have to keep her after school today.

tough old man · Post by **tough old man** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:41 pm

Yeah, that me search schoolgirl porn for a while.

___________ · Post by **___________** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:32 pm

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Jay · Post by **Jay** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:34 pm

MarcoFP wrote:Fuck me dude, does the gear really do that much?
That faggot has no muscle mass at all................

If he is a high responder, yes it does.

Most likely he was judging by the way he looks now.

Either that or he took a shitload...

too many people take that shit before they are "ready" to, ie a sufficient amount of base mass and strength first.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:38 pm

and yes, bmack is one of those guys that needs a beating..

Maybe its his insane narcissism about his training methods and the fact he DNF's almost everything and his cockiness about how CFE is the best shit since sliced bread.

___________ · Post by **___________** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:41 pm

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Jay · Post by **Jay** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:44 pm

MarcoFP wrote:
Ash Uber Alles wrote:
MarcoFP wrote:Fuck me dude, does the gear really do that much?
That faggot has no muscle mass at all................
If he is a high responder, yes it does.

Most likely he was judging by the way he looks now.

Either that or he took a shitload...

too many people take that shit before they are "ready" to, ie a sufficient amount of base mass and strength first.
It is seriously retarded the difference.
I gotta find the right pharmacist.

the difference is night and day.

Its like an emo kid transformed from a cornerback

*** · Post by ******* » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:48 pm

It's obvious that B-boi wanted to thwart the blocky look that was inevitable with all the gear and lifting and shit. He was losing his twink appeal. Can't have that. How would he pay the bills?

TerryB · Post by **TerryB** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:54 pm

Ash Uber Alles wrote:It is seriously retarded the difference.
I gotta find the right pharmacist.

the difference is night and day.

Its like an emo kid transformed from a cornerback[/quote]

What do you expect when you spend time cleaning 135-185 endlessly and doing handstand pushups.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:03 pm

protobuilder wrote:
Ash Uber Alles wrote:It is seriously retarded the difference.
I gotta find the right pharmacist.
the difference is night and day.

Its like an emo kid transformed from a cornerback

What do you expect when you spend time cleaning 135-185 endlessly and doing handstand pushups.[/quote]

you mean Couch's statement of a CrossFitter having a better physique than a BB is false??? :D

TerryB · Post by **TerryB** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:05 pm

Ash Uber Alles wrote:you mean Couch's statement of a CrossFitter having a better physique than a BB is false??? :D

No. Of course that fundamental principle holds true, as do all of Couch's fundamental truths. It is just that Couch didn't have the full 2 years to break BBoi down first. It is this 2 year "breaking down" period that makes it possible to then achieve a 700 lb deadlift and a physique better than a bodybuilder on steroids.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:08 pm

protobuilder wrote:
Ash Uber Alles wrote:you mean Couch's statement of a CrossFitter having a better physique than a BB is false??? :D
No. Of course that fundamental principle holds true, as do all of Couch's fundamental truths. It is just that Couch didn't have the full 2 years to break BBoi down first. It is this 2 year "breaking down" period that makes it possible to then achieve a 700 lb deadlift and a physique better than a bodybuilder on steroids.

hence the steroids.

if he had waited 2 years he could have pulled 700 and yelled lightweight while doing it.

then he wouldn't need the gear, he would be shitting Cypionate.

Danny John · Post by **Danny John** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:44 pm

Actually, this a very interesting and important discussion. Although I usually have a long "cost to benefit ratio discussion" when it comes to Anabolics, really it is a question of "when." If you take steroids, it is the Alpha "answer to all questions" (as we were told at a place that is clearly "anti-doping" on the sign!). I had a buddy for example, once tell me he had never, not once, thrown the discus clean. He was a shot putter who got hurt and switched over to the discus. So, he got little out of the "other steps."

If you start on the drugs, then learn the O lifts and the powerlifts, you aren't going to really see the impact of both the technical leaps and, really, probably the drug itself. So, when you go "off," you are going to slide pretty far down. The advice I was given years ago was to put off steroids and the ephedrine like supplements until you had maxed out your "natural" ability. The guy who told me this said to give it about eight years of dedicated work, then you would blast off again.

You can actually "see" where some famous names began supplementing. I won't tell you the name, but one guy made a great point that steroids can add maybe two feet to the shot put in just weeks. He went on: "Of course, if you are a shitty 52 footer (basically my best), you will still suck."

That was actually an eye opener for me.

So, if you decide you are elite with your 60 kilo snatch and 400 pound deadlift, drugs will boost you to maybe a better photograph in a gym with like sized people, but you still will be on the bad side of the bell curve. When you go off, you probably will slide back to a pretty low level.

More over, I'm sure that a guy can handle some pretty bizarre dieting issues on drugs. (Like one guy told me when I asked him if he was worried about "Positive Nitrogen Balance" with his food intakes: "I'd better be: I'm on a shitload of drugs.") So, going off would also expose one's nutritional issues almost overnight.

It's an interesting conversation, really. It also happened, in reverse, if you will, when ephedrine products were banned a few years ago. A guy at the GNC told me that one regular woman customer was almost unrecognizable within weeks of the ban. She was downing "Hydrycut" at the tune of several containers a month (more than one,for sure, I thought he said two or three, but that would be amazing). So, if you had a college girl get lean on ephedrine for a while without tweaking diet or exercising, when she loses her supply or goes off of them, I think you would see the opposite (fairly quick bulking).

Gary John · Post by **Gary John** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:11 am

I've never used performance enhancing drugs and my lifts prove it.

No, wait......

Shafpocalypse Now · Post by **Shafpocalypse Now** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:46 am

I bet there's not much more than 10-15# lean mass difference in between those pics. It's that whole "Fight Club" thing. You see him in pics, he looks lean and jacked. In person, he'd look lean.

I would also suggest that perhaps he's on a low carb diet now, where you can be lean, but look flat and un-vascular.

Jag Panzer · Post by **Jag Panzer** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:11 am

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:I bet there's not much more than 10-15# lean mass difference in between those pics. It's that whole "Fight Club" thing. You see him in pics, he looks lean and jacked. In person, he'd look lean.

I would also suggest that perhaps he's on a low carb diet now, where you can be lean, but look flat and un-vascular.

Yeah I was just about to say, he doesn't look that much different to me. All those old pics he looks a lot more muscular, but it's amazing what shirtless homo pics under good lighting will do as far as that goes. Dude wasn't ever all that big in the first place, but a little muscle, a lot of lean, and good lighting will create an illusion of size.

Now you look at him with a shirt on, maybe come off shit if he was on it so yeah he lost a little bit of size, but it's more an artifact of the pics than anything.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:13 am

Jag Panzer wrote:
Shafpocalypse Now wrote:I bet there's not much more than 10-15# lean mass difference in between those pics. It's that whole "Fight Club" thing. You see him in pics, he looks lean and jacked. In person, he'd look lean.

I would also suggest that perhaps he's on a low carb diet now, where you can be lean, but look flat and un-vascular.
Yeah I was just about to say, he doesn't look that much different to me. All those old pics he looks a lot more muscular, but it's amazing what shirtless homo pics under good lighting will do as far as that goes. Dude wasn't ever all that big in the first place, but a little muscle, a lot of lean, and good lighting will create an illusion of size.

Now you look at him with a shirt on, maybe come off shit if he was on it so yeah he lost a little bit of size, but it's more an artifact of the pics than anything.

Dude... do you remember the pics from when he was a CF "superstar" to now? the difference isn't lighting and clothing. Its huge.

Jag Panzer · Post by **Jag Panzer** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:14 am

Okay.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:20 am

Jag Panzer wrote:Okay.

I think Shaf is close, it may be closer to 20 pounds though. But 15-20 pounds of lean mass on a guy of his frame and size is a lot of goddamn muscle. He's emaciated now...

Holland Oates · Post by **Holland Oates** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:27 am

My hate is weak.

B Boi may have had a health scare or injury and dropped off the gear and the training tit.

He's fucking Barky and I'm green with envy.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:39 am

Ed Zachary wrote:My hate is weak.

B Boi may have had a health scare or injury and dropped off the gear and the training tit.

He's fucking Barky and I'm green with envy.

Now you got me feeling bad....

wait, no

Holland Oates · Post by **Holland Oates** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:41 am

Ash Uber Alles wrote:
Ed Zachary wrote:My hate is weak.

B Boi may have had a health scare or injury and dropped off the gear and the training tit.

He's fucking Barky and I'm green with envy.
Now you got me feeling bad....

wait, no

Don't feel bad. I save all my hate for @fit DNF and that faggot BMacNCheese.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:47 am

Ed Zachary wrote:
Ash Uber Alles wrote:
Ed Zachary wrote:My hate is weak.

B Boi may have had a health scare or injury and dropped off the gear and the training tit.

He's fucking Barky and I'm green with envy.
Now you got me feeling bad....

wait, no
Don't feel bad. I save all my hate for @fit DNF and that faggot BMacNCheese.

I think judging by my posts in this thread you will see I agree with you about bchoke.

I don't know how he is in person but I do know several people who say he is arrogant.

lasalle · Post by **lasalle** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:19 am

Ed Zachary wrote:He's fucking Barky and I'm green with envy.

truth.

IGX

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