Occupy Wall Street

The Ginger Beard Man · Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:37 am

Fat Cat wrote:WSJ is owned by Rupert Murdoch so consider taking that with an ocean of salt. It's pretty hard to make the case that this movement is representative of such a narrow demographic when there are similar protests in 200 cities around the world. Keep trying though, you may make a useful puppet yet.

Umm, you're not really surprised that the WALL STREET JOURNAL doesn't like the Occupy Wall Street movement are you? *sigh*

You didn't read the byline, did you? Schoen is a Democratic pollster and worked for Bill Clinton.

CharlieBob · Post by **CharlieBob** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:56 am

Fat Cat wrote:WSJ is owned by Rupert Murdoch so consider taking that with an ocean of salt. It's pretty hard to make the case that this movement is representative of such a narrow demographic when there are similar protests in 200 cities around the world. Keep trying though, you may make a useful puppet yet.

Umm, you're not really surprised that the WALL STREET JOURNAL doesn't like the Occupy Wall Street movement are you? *sigh*

Yes I agree the article needs to be taken with a grain of salt, but Douglass Schoen is pretty respected and so I would assume it is not just total BS. The whole violence thing may very well be coming from an ambiguous poll question, but I think there is still some interesting stuff in there to consider.

Sangoma · Post by **Sangoma** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:24 am

Discrediting protesters is an old Soviet trick. The fact that the girl has a manicure, iphone and good pair of jeans nullifies anything she is trying to say or do. If that is not convincing, the fact that she is wearing green cap - of all colors! - should finish the argument even for the most unconvinced.

Freki · Post by **Freki** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:10 am

Now if this really happened beyond a couple schmucks shooting the breeze, the oligarchs would be scared.

And this guy's getting a fair amount of info about Occupy from the libertarian, for lack of a better term, view of things, you'll probably have to go a couple pages in, he's a pretty prolific blogger. Went to Occupy Pensacola over the weekend and commented on what he saw.

http://market-ticker.org/

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:57 am

Just because liberals are frustrated with Wall Street does not mean that we should automatically find common cause with a group of people who are protesting Wall Street. Indeed, one of the first obligations of liberalism is skepticism—of governments, of arguments, and of movements. And so it is important to look at what Occupy Wall Street actually believes and then to ask two, related questions: Is their rhetoric liberal, or at least a close cousin of liberalism? And is this movement helpful to the achievement of liberal aims?

This task is made especially difficult by the fact that there is no single leader who is speaking for the crowds, no book of demands that has been put forward by the movement. Like all such gatherings, it undoubtedly includes a broad range of views. But the volume of interviews, speeches, and online declarations associated with the protests does make it possible to arrive at some broad generalizations about what Occupy Wall Street stands for. And these, in turn, suggest a few reasons for liberals to be nervous about the movement.

One of the core differences between liberals and radicals is that liberals are capitalists. They believe in a capitalism that is democratically regulated—that seeks to level an unfair economic playing field so that all citizens have the freedom to make what they want of their lives. But these are not the principles we are hearing from the protesters. Instead, we are hearing calls for the upending of capitalism entirely.

http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/mag ... dium=email

Translation: I helped pay for your education and got this? You ungrateful little shits!

PC Polar Circle Person · Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:01 pm

I think it's irrelevant what your income etc. is. People around the globe are just starting to realize how fuckin' unfair and unbalanced the whole system is. Money simply has too much power and a handful of people are running the whole goddamned show.

Shafpocalypse Now · Post by **Shafpocalypse Now** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:29 pm

Steggy · Post by **Steggy** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:04 pm

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/10/oc ... _quiz.html

The Venerable Bogatir X · Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:10 pm

ÜberSmet wrote:Discrediting protesters is an old Soviet trick. The fact that the girl has a manicure, iphone and good pair of jeans nullifies anything she is trying to say or do. If that is not convincing, the fact that she is wearing green cap - of all colors! - should finish the argument even for the most unconvinced.

My snark flies over your head, which is no surprise. If only we can ask her what she's protesting about.....

No matter, it will be cold in a few weeks, these people will be gone and seeing as they don't have a cohesive and/or sensible messages to bring forth, it will all be forgotten or noted as a big waste of time and at a cost to taxpayers.

Or, maybe that Mayan calendar is right after all and we should all just quit and head for the hills.

DARTH · Post by **DARTH** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:59 pm

WOLVERINES!

cleaner464 · Post by **cleaner464** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:48 pm

High Velocity Lie-Nap! wrote: No matter, it will be cold in a few weeks, these people will be gone and seeing as they don't have a cohesive and/or sensible messages to bring forth, it will all be forgotten or noted as a big waste of time and at a cost to taxpayers.

Interestingly enough, when the "Liberal Media" cherry picked the idiots from the Tea-Baggers Brigades to interview, you guys were up in arms about them misrepresenting the tea-baggers.

nafod · Post by **nafod** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:59 pm

cleaner464 wrote:Interestingly enough

No, not really

The Venerable Bogatir X · Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:48 pm

cleaner464 wrote:
High Velocity Lie-Nap! wrote: No matter, it will be cold in a few weeks, these people will be gone and seeing as they don't have a cohesive and/or sensible messages to bring forth, it will all be forgotten or noted as a big waste of time and at a cost to taxpayers.

Interestingly enough, when the "Liberal Media" cherry picked the idiots from the Tea-Baggers Brigades to interview, you guys were up in arms about them misrepresenting the tea-baggers.

The Tea Party protests were also useless, that was obvious then and now. You'll find no evidence of me being up in arms about them being misrepresented.

"The Million Man March" while not really a protest, but an effort towards a 'movement' was in theory (if you're a brotha, anyway), far more sensible than Tea Party or 99% protests and was equally useless.

Like another poster alluded to, if the Tea99%Party movement would happen, then things might get interesting.

Grandpa's Spells · Post by **Grandpa's Spells** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:34 pm

The Venerable Bogatir X · Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:45 pm

Grandpa's Spells wrote:LOL

The threat of serious physical injury/death is a bit of a game changer. With that said, your point is valid but a completely different topic.

dead man walking · Post by **dead man walking** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:12 pm

teapartyoccupywallstreet=karma

Sangoma · Post by **Sangoma** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:31 pm

High Velocity Lie-Nap! wrote:
ÜberSmet wrote:Discrediting protesters is an old Soviet trick. The fact that the girl has a manicure, iphone and good pair of jeans nullifies anything she is trying to say or do. If that is not convincing, the fact that she is wearing green cap - of all colors! - should finish the argument even for the most unconvinced.
My snark flies over your head, which is no surprise. If only we can ask her what she's protesting about.....

No matter, it will be cold in a few weeks, these people will be gone and seeing as they don't have a cohesive and/or sensible messages to bring forth, it will all be forgotten or noted as a big waste of time and at a cost to taxpayers.

Or, maybe that Mayan calendar is right after all and we should all just quit and head for the hills.

At least they are trying.

The Venerable Bogatir X · Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:40 pm

ÜberSmet wrote:
High Velocity Lie-Nap! wrote:
ÜberSmet wrote:Discrediting protesters is an old Soviet trick. The fact that the girl has a manicure, iphone and good pair of jeans nullifies anything she is trying to say or do. If that is not convincing, the fact that she is wearing green cap - of all colors! - should finish the argument even for the most unconvinced.
My snark flies over your head, which is no surprise. If only we can ask her what she's protesting about.....

No matter, it will be cold in a few weeks, these people will be gone and seeing as they don't have a cohesive and/or sensible messages to bring forth, it will all be forgotten or noted as a big waste of time and at a cost to taxpayers.

Or, maybe that Mayan calendar is right after all and we should all just quit and head for the hills.
At least they are trying.

Trying to do what, exactly?

I'm sure many of them used their Capital One credit cards with 24.99% interest to buy their fancy cameras prior to CapOne cutting them off for non-payment.

buckethead · Post by **buckethead** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:44 pm

Dear Investor:

Up until now, Goldman Sachs has been silent on the subject of the protest movement known as Occupy Wall Street. That does not mean, however, that it has not been very much on our minds. As thousands have gathered in Lower Manhattan, passionately expressing their deep discontent with the status quo, we have taken note of these protests. And we have asked ourselves this question:

How can we make money off them?

The answer is the newly launched Goldman Sachs Global Rage Fund, whose investment objective is to monetize the Occupy Wall Street protests as they spread around the world. At Goldman, we recognize that the capitalist system as we know it is circling the drain – but there’s plenty of money to be made on the way down.

The Rage Fund will seek out opportunities to invest in products that are poised to benefit from the spreading protests, from police batons and barricades to stun guns and forehead bandages. Furthermore, as clashes between police and protesters turn ever more violent, we are making significant bets on companies that manufacture replacements for broken windows and overturned cars, as well as the raw materials necessary for the construction and incineration of effigies.

It would be tempting, at a time like this, to say “Let them eat cake.” But at Goldman, we are actively seeking to corner the market in cake futures. We project that through our aggressive market manipulation, the price of a piece of cake will quadruple by the end of 2011.

Please contact your Goldman representative for a full prospectus. As the world descends into a Darwinian free-for-all, the Goldman Sachs Rage Fund is a great way to tell the protesters, “Occupy this.” We haven’t felt so good about something we’ve sold since our souls.

Sincerely,

Lloyd Blankfein

Chairman, Goldman Sachs

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Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:18 am

The Ginger Beard Man wrote:
Fat Cat wrote:WSJ is owned by Rupert Murdoch so consider taking that with an ocean of salt. It's pretty hard to make the case that this movement is representative of such a narrow demographic when there are similar protests in 200 cities around the world. Keep trying though, you may make a useful puppet yet.

Umm, you're not really surprised that the WALL STREET JOURNAL doesn't like the Occupy Wall Street movement are you? *sigh*
You didn't read the byline, did you? Schoen is a Democratic pollster and worked for Bill Clinton.

So was Dick Morris. Please say something worthwhile.

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:18 am

ÜberSmet wrote:Discrediting protesters is an old Soviet trick. The fact that the girl has a manicure, iphone and good pair of jeans nullifies anything she is trying to say or do. If that is not convincing, the fact that she is wearing green cap - of all colors! - should finish the argument even for the most unconvinced.

=D> =D> =D>

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:25 am

High Velocity Lie-Nap! wrote:
ÜberSmet wrote:
High Velocity Lie-Nap! wrote:
ÜberSmet wrote:Discrediting protesters is an old Soviet trick. The fact that the girl has a manicure, iphone and good pair of jeans nullifies anything she is trying to say or do. If that is not convincing, the fact that she is wearing green cap - of all colors! - should finish the argument even for the most unconvinced.
My snark flies over your head, which is no surprise. If only we can ask her what she's protesting about.....

No matter, it will be cold in a few weeks, these people will be gone and seeing as they don't have a cohesive and/or sensible messages to bring forth, it will all be forgotten or noted as a big waste of time and at a cost to taxpayers.

Or, maybe that Mayan calendar is right after all and we should all just quit and head for the hills.
At least they are trying.
Trying to do what, exactly?

I'm sure many of them used their Capital One credit cards with 24.99% interest to buy their fancy cameras prior to CapOne cutting them off for non-payment.

Go and read your criticisms of these protests in this thread and recognize how utterly insubstantial they are. Manicures? Phones? Really?

The Venerable Bogatir X · Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:53 am

Fat Cat wrote:
High Velocity Lie-Nap! wrote:
ÜberSmet wrote:
High Velocity Lie-Nap! wrote:
ÜberSmet wrote:Discrediting protesters is an old Soviet trick. The fact that the girl has a manicure, iphone and good pair of jeans nullifies anything she is trying to say or do. If that is not convincing, the fact that she is wearing green cap - of all colors! - should finish the argument even for the most unconvinced.
My snark flies over your head, which is no surprise. If only we can ask her what she's protesting about.....

No matter, it will be cold in a few weeks, these people will be gone and seeing as they don't have a cohesive and/or sensible messages to bring forth, it will all be forgotten or noted as a big waste of time and at a cost to taxpayers.

Or, maybe that Mayan calendar is right after all and we should all just quit and head for the hills.
At least they are trying.
Trying to do what, exactly?

I'm sure many of them used their Capital One credit cards with 24.99% interest to buy their fancy cameras prior to CapOne cutting them off for non-payment.
Go and read your criticisms of these protests in this thread and recognize how utterly insubstantial they are. Manicures? Phones? Really?

I am absolutely pointing out the folly of what these 'protesters' are doing and I believe that 99% of them can't articulate why they're doing what they're doing outside of some high level 'lenders and banks are evil' chatter that has been spewed for at least a couple of thousand of years. Show me three concise points on what they (realistically) want changed and how as stated by their leadership or speakers. I've seen nothing but a bunch of pseudo hippies and others who appear to have time on their hands from the white middle class throwing a pity party.

Again, Wall Street will get chilly in a few weeks, watch this shit evaporate as these people head back to their apartments warmed by the fuel of the evil oil empire as they upload their photos onto their laptops purchased from the evil retail empire and then blog in the cloud provided by the evil high tech empire while they smoke cigarettes from the evil tobacco empire.

Once the Wall Street crew is done, the other 99% is also done, regardless of the weather. Wait and see what a farse this is.

The 99% movement is utterly insubstantial.

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:55 am

I guess we'll see.

Holland Oates · Post by **Holland Oates** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:58 am

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