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Ice Nigger wrote:

High Velocity Lie-Nap! wrote:

dead man walking wrote:

Ice Nigger wrote:I believe this is just the beginning.

arab spring.

different continent. different season.

Wall St. goes home, they all go home.

Of course they go home, Nappy. But that will not be the end of it. Like DMW points out, this is all part of a larger phenomenon.

We'll see (that I'm right)....I don't think the bang to hype ratio of this 'phenomenon' is remotely close to what you're thinking/hoping for.

EDIT: Brrrrr!...getting chilly and losing steam at the same time.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1

Any bets on when the first 99% embezzlement charges come forward?


Even in Zuccotti Park, greed is good.
Occupy Wall Street’s Finance Committee has nearly $500,000 in the bank, and donations continue to pour in -- but its reluctance to share the wealth with other protestErs is fraying tempers.
Some drummers -- incensed they got no money to replace or safeguard their drums after a midnight vandal destroyed their instruments Wednesday -- are threatening to splinter off.
“F--k Finance. I hope Mayor Bloomberg gets an injunction and demands to see the movement’s books. We need to know how much money we really have and where it’s going,” said a frustrated Bryan Smith, 45, who joined OWS in Lower Manhattan nearly three weeks ago from Los Angeles, where he works in TV production.

WILLIAM FARRINGTON
NEST IN PEACE: Protester Dylan Spoelstra smirks yesterday from his high perch amid the workings of the sculpture “Joie de Vivre” in Zuccotti Park.

Smith is a member of the Comfort Working Group -- one of about 30 small collectives that have sprung up within OWS. The Comfort group is charged with finding out what basic necessities campers need, like thermal underwear, and then raising money by soliciting donations on the street.
“The other day, I took in $2,000. I kept $650 for my group, and gave the rest to Finance. Then I went to them with a request -- so many people need things, and they should not be going without basic comfort items -- and I was told to fill out paperwork. Paperwork! Are they the government now?” Smith fumed, even as he cajoled the passing crowd for more cash.
The Finance Committee dives on whatever dollars are raised by all the OWS working groups, said Smith, and doesn’t give it back.
The Comfort group has an allowance of $150 a day, while larger working groups, like the Kitchen group, get up to $2,000.
“What can I do with $150?” said Smith. “We have three tons of wet laundry here from the rainstorm -- how do I get that done? We need winter gear, shoes, socks. I could spend $10,000 alone for backpacks people need. We raise all this money. Where is it?”
Pete Dutro, 36, a Brooklyn tattoo artist who is getting a master’s in finance and sits on the Finance Committee, said big purchases like Smith’s can’t get immediate approval.
“We don’t have the power for that. They have to go to the General Assembly. If it’s approved, we pay out that amount and make sure everything is accounted for,” he said.
Within the next few days, the Financial Committee will release a detailed report, he said.
Yesterday, a huge flat-screen TV went up in Zuccotti Park for a movie night and pajama party with popcorn. Organizers hoped it would attract new recruits -- even as some long-timers complained that the movement was getting too diffuse after yesterday’s lackluster showing at a police-brutality event in Union Square that barely attracted 50 participants.
“I think it’s getting too spread out,” said John Glowa, 57. “My sense from where I live is that it’s losing steam. We gotta plug the holes.”
Some activists, like those in Pulse, the committee that represents Zuccotti Park drummers, are a bit worn out by all the collective activity.
Last week, on a rainy night, someone stabbed holes in many of the protesters’ drums with a knife, said Elijah Moses, 19, of Queens, a founder of the Pulse Working Group. Moses asked the General Assembly -- the nightly meeting where protesters collectively vote on OWS decisions -- for $8,000 to replace the drums, and build a small shed to lock them up.
“They said no -- they turned us down. I’m really frustrated,” said Moses.
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LOL

How quickly the good guys start to turn into the bad once money is introduced.

Stealing amongst the rank and file 99%? Who would have thought it could happen?


Thieves preying on fellow protesters
By LARRY CELONA, LAURA ITALIANO REBECCA HARSHBARGER, FRANK ROSARIO and JAMIE SCHRAM
Last Updated: 9:35 AM, October 18, 2011
Posted: 2:43 AM, October 18, 2011
It’s a den of thieves!

Occupy Wall Street protesters said yesterday that packs of brazen crooks within their ranks have been robbing their fellow demonstrators blind, making off with pricey cameras, phones and laptops -- and even a hefty bundle of donated cash and food.

“Stealing is our biggest problem at the moment,” said Nan Terrie, 18, a kitchen and legal-team volunteer from Fort Lauderdale.

“I had my Mac stolen -- that was like $5,500. Every night, something else is gone. Last night, our entire [kitchen] budget for the day was stolen, so the first thing I had to do was . . . get the message out to our supporters that we needed food!”

Crafty cat burglars sneaked into the makeshift kitchen at Zuccotti Park overnight and swiped as much as $2,500 in donated greenbacks from right under the noses of volunteers who’d fallen asleep after a long day whipping up meals for the hundreds of hungry protesters, the volunteers said.

“The worst thing is there’s people sleeping in the kitchen when they come, and they don’t even know about it! There are some really smart and sneaky thieves here,” Terrie said.

“I had umbrellas stolen, a fold-up bed I brought because my back is bad -- they took that, too!”

Security volunteer Harry Wyman, 22, of Brooklyn was furious about the thievery -- and vowed to get tough with the predatory perps.

“I’m not getting paid, but I’m not gonna stand for it. Why people got to come here and do stupid stuff? All it does is make people not wanna come here anymore,” Wyman fumed.

At one point yesterday, Wyman and other volunteers briefly scuffled with a man who was standing near a park entrance with a pail calling out: “Donations! Donations!” -- and pocketing the cash people tossed in the bucket.

Meanwhile, the Rev. Jesse Jackson was at Zuccotti late last night as he and about 50 protesters formed a human chain in front of a medical tent after police officers came over to ask about the tent, cops and protesters said.

“Jesse dropped in like a ninja,” said Stephanie Perricone, 21. “He came out of nowhere and helped us all out.”

The officers were asking about the size of the tent when the crowd of demonstrators -- including Jackson -- stood en masse in front of it.

The cops said didn’t ask for it to be taken down and the issue was quickly resolved.



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one man's opinion

The theme that connects them all is disenfranchisement, the sense that the world is shifting deeply and inexorably beyond our ability to control it through our democratic institutions. You can call this many things, but a “democratic deficit” gets to the nub of it. Democracy means rule by the people—however rough-edged, however blunted by representative government, however imperfect. But everywhere, the people feel as if someone else is now ruling them—and see no way to regain control.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2 ... ppies.html

High Velocity Lie-Nap! wrote:

Ice Nigger wrote: Of course they go home, Nappy. But that will not be the end of it. Like DMW points out, this is all part of a larger phenomenon.

We'll see (that I'm right)....I don't think the bang to hype ratio of this 'phenomenon' is remotely close to what you're thinking/hoping for.

The "movement" will simply be taken over as a campaigning opportunity for populist politicians, just as the Tea Party was. (The main difference: One was more angry at those who did the bailing out, and the other is more angry at those who got the bailouts.) You might have some Democrats elected who are too dumb to get elected otherwise, but that will be the end of it. Anyone hoping for widespread change will be disappointed.

dead man walking wrote:one man's opinion

The theme that connects them all is disenfranchisement, the sense that the world is shifting deeply and inexorably beyond our ability to control it through our democratic institutions.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2 ... ppies.html

This book will help them navigate to a more constructive direction towards getting things done and at the very least, show them how to feel less helpless:

doesn't fatty, the hawaiian commie, also recommend that book?

dead man walking wrote:doesn't fatty, the hawaiian commie, also recommend that book?

Yes...he turned me on to it a few years ago, but I forget which IGx'er originally suggested it to him. JMG, Fatty is less of a commie and more of a Hall of Fame caliber IGx shit stirrer. Pure commies don't live in million dollar homes nor do they drive nice cars.

All movements of change in history have had to have the capacity and capability to do violence to those they would protest about. The process may run peacefully, but the threat of violence has to be there.

This latest movement doesn't yet seem to have that, but time will tell. If it stays neutered, it won't achieve anything, but the problem with being in the "99%" is that you're very reluctant to start putting cross-hairs on people. The Tea Party knows this:

DARTH wrote: But Socialism and Communism is not the answer. Letting capitalism do it's thing and letting the fuckers go broke instead of bailing them out and putting them in jail when they brake the law is.

The problem is - it doesn't seem to work in unregulated capitalist states. Because capitalism is eventually about greed it eventually infiltrates the ruling power of the country, and separation of perpetrators from legislators becomes difficult. If you're old enough you might remember how the Chairman of the NY Stock Exchange interrupted newly elected Reagan during his speech at the opening of the session. So audaciously that one wonders who really is running USA.

Dumb or not is a different question altogether. Are Occupy Wall Street guys dumb or are you (and I), by believing the ultimate good of the current order of the society you live in and helping the mighty ones to keep their enormous wealth?

Ressentiment

(T)he problem with the other origin of the “good,” of the good man, as the person of ressentiment has thought it out for himself, demands some conclusion. It is not surprising that the lambs should bear a grudge against the great birds of prey, but that is no reason for blaming the great birds of prey for taking the little lambs. And when the lambs say among themselves, "These birds of prey are evil, and he who least resembles a bird of prey, who is rather its opposite, a lamb,—should he not be good?" then there is nothing to carp with in this ideal's establishment, though the birds of prey may regard it a little mockingly, and maybe say to themselves, "We bear no grudge against them, these good lambs, we even love them: nothing is tastier than a tender lamb."

Friedrich Nietzsche, On the Genealogy of Morality

ÜberSmet wrote:

DARTH wrote: But Socialism and Communism is not the answer. Letting capitalism do it's thing and letting the fuckers go broke instead of bailing them out and putting them in jail when they brake the law is.

The problem is - it doesn't seem to work in unregulated capitalist states. Because capitalism is eventually about greed it eventually infiltrates the ruling power of the country, and separation of perpetrators from legislators becomes difficult. If you're old enough you might remember how the Chairman of the NY Stock Exchange interrupted newly elected Reagan during his speech at the opening of the session. So audaciously that one wonders who really is running USA.

Dumb or not is a different question altogether. Are Occupy Wall Street guys dumb or are you (and I), by believing the ultimate good of the current order of the society you live in and helping the mighty ones to keep their enormous wealth?

Is this not at least as common in socialist/communist states?

Hebrew Hammer wrote:Ressentiment

(T)he problem with the other origin of the “good,” of the good man, as the person of ressentiment has thought it out for himself, demands some conclusion. It is not surprising that the lambs should bear a grudge against the great birds of prey, but that is no reason for blaming the great birds of prey for taking the little lambs. And when the lambs say among themselves, "These birds of prey are evil, and he who least resembles a bird of prey, who is rather its opposite, a lamb,—should he not be good?" then there is nothing to carp with in this ideal's establishment, though the birds of prey may regard it a little mockingly, and maybe say to themselves, "We bear no grudge against them, these good lambs, we even love them: nothing is tastier than a tender lamb."

Friedrich Nietzsche, On the Genealogy of Morality

Nice.

On a very slight tangent, your post above made me dig-up a quote I've not thought of in ages:

I once complained to my father that
I didn't seem to be able to do things the same way other people did.
Dad's advice? "Margo, don't be a sheep. People hate sheep. They eat sheep.
- Margo Kaufman

"

Paid $5500 for a Mac? No wonder he's broke-- I only paid a little more than that for my truck.

ÜberSmet wrote: or are you (and I), by believing the ultimate good of the current order of the society you live in and helping the mighty ones to keep their enormous wealth?

And so where does 'enormous wealth' start/stop?

You're a doctor and I'm sure you make good money....and assuming you're competent, deservedly so.

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Peo ... ees/Salary

Let's say a doctor sympathetic to the 99%'ers makes $200k (US dollars). Someone who makes half of what that doc makes is not going to resent that income, as earning $100k today still takes tough, consistent effort. But at what income level do people see the $200k doctor as a 'mighty one with tremendous wealth'? I'd guess a lot of people who make less than $40k lump-in Dr. Average, in that group of evil-rich.

Perspective, comrades. Perspective.

Turdacious wrote:Paid $5500 for a Mac? No wonder he's broke-- I only paid a little more than that for my truck.

Assuming this victim is American, "Paid" likely equals he charged it to his Capital One card.

Oakland officials Thursday night ordered protesters inspired by the Occupy Wall Street movement to vacate Frank Ogawa Plaza outside City Hall, where hundreds of people have lived since Oct. 10 in an elaborate tent city complete with a kitchen, a school and a medical tent.

A document titled "Notice to Vacate Frank Ogawa Plaza" was posted on the city's website at 8 p.m. by the office of City Administrator Deanna Santana. It said Oakland was committed to allowing free speech, but also had a responsibility to protect public safety.

"We believe that after 10 days, the City can no longer uphold public health and safety," the notice said. "In recent days, camp conditions and occupants' behavior have significantly deteriorated, and it is no longer manageable to maintain a public health and safety plan."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... .DTL&tsp=1

Kind of sad when city leaders in the Bay Area pack more gear than anyone else.

High Velocity Lie-Nap! wrote:

Ice Nigger wrote:

High Velocity Lie-Nap! wrote:

dead man walking wrote:

Ice Nigger wrote:I believe this is just the beginning.

arab spring.

different continent. different season.

Wall St. goes home, they all go home.

Of course they go home, Nappy. But that will not be the end of it. Like DMW points out, this is all part of a larger phenomenon.

We'll see (that I'm right)....I don't think the bang to hype ratio of this 'phenomenon' is remotely close to what you're thinking/hoping for.

The evolution is painfully slow, I admit. Half the planet is still living in medieval times, so I'm not expecting anything dramatic anytime soon. The information we all have available now should speed up the process, though. And, yes, it's more about hope - I don't know shit about this all, other than it's fascinating to watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... ANT89jak_w#!

So much awesomeness.

powerlifter54 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... ANT89jak_w#!

So much awesomeness.

I bet white power wig one and white power wig two were at Wall St. boosting laptops and shit, dawg!

baffled wrote:

ÜberSmet wrote:

DARTH wrote: But Socialism and Communism is not the answer. Letting capitalism do it's thing and letting the fuckers go broke instead of bailing them out and putting them in jail when they brake the law is.

The problem is - it doesn't seem to work in unregulated capitalist states. Because capitalism is eventually about greed it eventually infiltrates the ruling power of the country, and separation of perpetrators from legislators becomes difficult. If you're old enough you might remember how the Chairman of the NY Stock Exchange interrupted newly elected Reagan during his speech at the opening of the session. So audaciously that one wonders who really is running USA.

Dumb or not is a different question altogether. Are Occupy Wall Street guys dumb or are you (and I), by believing the ultimate good of the current order of the society you live in and helping the mighty ones to keep their enormous wealth?

Is this not at least as common in socialist/communist states?

It is, but the system takes better care of the population. For example, if you lose your house as the result of bad financial decision in Australia or Switzerland you will not become homeless, as the state will provide you with the home. Neither will you go seriously hungry in states with strong socialist elements.

On a different note: the concept of communism was developed by Karl Marx. In his works it is the final result of the social evolution of the society, sort of utopian state where money doesn't exist and people work because of their conscience. Communism never existed and probably never will. So technically the term "communist state" is incorrect. Countries that you call "communist" are autocratic states where communist party is in power.

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/20 ... ll-street/

if you're inclined to be serious for a moment.

High Velocity Lie-Nap! wrote:

ÜberSmet wrote: or are you (and I), by believing the ultimate good of the current order of the society you live in and helping the mighty ones to keep their enormous wealth?

And so where does 'enormous wealth' start/stop?

You're a doctor and I'm sure you make good money....and assuming you're competent, deservedly so.

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Peo ... ees/Salary

Let's say a doctor sympathetic to the 99%'ers makes $200k (US dollars). Someone who makes half of what that doc makes is not going to resent that income, as earning $100k today still takes tough, consistent effort. But at what income level do people see the $200k doctor as a 'mighty one with tremendous wealth'? I'd guess a lot of people who make less than $40k lump-in Dr. Average, in that group of evil-rich.

Perspective, comrades. Perspective.

The problem is not so much how rich one is, but how much one screws another. I don't think that most people who can have decent existence will resent someone's wealth. However when the handful of greedy speculators fuck up the economy and thousands lose their homes and income, while speculators walk away with even more millions - this perspective is different altogether.