The Crawdaddy wrote:Hold your horse there Fatty. Do you even read the articles you post links to?
Sometimes. Why?
Seattle police said plenty of verbal warnings were given to demonstrators attempting to block intersections and streets during rush hour.
"Pepper spray was deployed only against subjects who were either refusing a lawful order to disperse or engaging in assaultive behavior toward officers," Kappel wrote on the department's blog.
Kappel also noted that one man threw an "unknown liquid" at an officer's face and was arrested. The officer was not injured.
In another incident, Kappel said a 17-year-old woman swung a stick at an officer, and as police moved to arrest her, others tried to intervene on her behalf, prompting a blast of pepper spray.
The Crawdaddy wrote:That does NOT constitute peaceful, and blocking traffic is unlawful. Did maybe some folks get caught up in the blast (2nd bold) that weren't intervening? Sure, but the cops had cause to react here based on the article you posted as a source.
Do you even read posts before you respond to them? I was talking about the 84 year old woman who was attacked by the police. Whatever else occurred somewhere in the same crowd is largely irrelevant. In addition, some bullshit on a blog that's a mouthpiece for the cops is not exactly credible evidence of wrongdoing by an old lady. But you either know that or are too slow to have a relevant opinion.
Not all police are pigs. You need to fine-tune your hate mongering to be a little more specific and accurate perhaps.
Where was I calling all police pigs again? Oh that's right, nowhere.
"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy.
It is our job to see that it stays there." - George Orwell
Do you even read posts before you respond to them? I was talking about the 84 year old woman who was attacked by the police. Whatever else occurred somewhere in the same crowd is largely irrelevant. In addition, some bullshit on a blog that's a mouthpiece for the cops is not exactly credible evidence of wrongdoing by an old lady. But you either know that or are too slow to have a relevant opinion.
Attacked? Because she was in the crowd that refused to disperse when lawfully ordered and got caught in the pepper spray blast? As if being old is an excuse for misbehavior? Horseshit. She was part of the crowd that refused multiple orders to disperse. I don't expect the police to wade in and risk injury to sort a mob into those you feel are ok to use non-lethal methods on and those you don't, do you?
And I've been reading the entire thread, thanks. I tend not to comment on things unless I have something I want to say.
Finally, my apologies for the pig comment - that was BD that made the remark, not you. Been a long week, and I misremembered who made that comment.
Blaidd Drwg wrote:90% of the people lifting in gyms are doing it on "feel" and what they really "feel" like is being a lazy fuck.
"A good man always knows his limitations..." -- "Dirty" Harry Callahan
The Crawdaddy wrote:
Finally, my apologies for the pig comment - that was BD that made the remark, not you. Been a long week, and I misremembered who made that comment.
It was me...I've met many and you're right, it's not a fair comment. Pigs as a species are smart, trainable and loveable, much like dogs. Policemen? not as trainable and not nearly as useful and never to be trusted at their word.
and the 84 year old woman? she assaulted nobody, not even the police are claiming that. She's already gotten an apology from the mayors office...failure to disperse? weigh that public good against what? traffic? I'm sorry complaining about Seattle traffic is like complaining about Seattle rain. go piss up a rope. I have no sympathy for the bulk of the shitrbirds involved but what the Police are managing is not public safety, it's public image.
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"He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that." JS Mill
Do you even read posts before you respond to them? I was talking about the 84 year old woman who was attacked by the police. Whatever else occurred somewhere in the same crowd is largely irrelevant. In addition, some bullshit on a blog that's a mouthpiece for the cops is not exactly credible evidence of wrongdoing by an old lady. But you either know that or are too slow to have a relevant opinion.
Attacked? Because she was in the crowd that refused to disperse when lawfully ordered and got caught in the pepper spray blast? As if being old is an excuse for misbehavior? Horseshit. She was part of the crowd that refused multiple orders to disperse.
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One of the downsides of the Internet is that it allows like-minded people to form communities, and sometimes those communities are stupid.
The Crawdaddy wrote:Attacked? Because she was in the crowd that refused to disperse when lawfully ordered and got caught in the pepper spray blast? As if being old is an excuse for misbehavior? Horseshit. She was part of the crowd that refused multiple orders to disperse. I don't expect the police to wade in and risk injury to sort a mob into those you feel are ok to use non-lethal methods on and those you don't, do you?
Misbehavior? These aren't children. They are adults taking responsibility for the direction their society is taking. And no, it's not okay to mace an old lady when she doesn't go where she's told like a dog. You mean to tell me there was NOTHING better for the cops to be doing? No robberies? No murders? No kid being abused somewhere?
The Crawdaddy wrote:And I've been reading the entire thread, thanks. I tend not to comment on things unless I have something I want to say.
Then you can go back to not saying anything, because you don't offer much.
The Crawdaddy wrote:Finally, my apologies for the pig comment - that was BD that made the remark, not you. Been a long week, and I misremembered who made that comment.
No worries.
"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy.
It is our job to see that it stays there." - George Orwell
Do you even read posts before you respond to them? I was talking about the 84 year old woman who was attacked by the police. Whatever else occurred somewhere in the same crowd is largely irrelevant. In addition, some bullshit on a blog that's a mouthpiece for the cops is not exactly credible evidence of wrongdoing by an old lady. But you either know that or are too slow to have a relevant opinion.
Attacked? Because she was in the crowd that refused to disperse when lawfully ordered and got caught in the pepper spray blast? As if being old is an excuse for misbehavior? Horseshit. She was part of the crowd that refused multiple orders to disperse.
WHY CAN'T I SEE THE PHOTO? WHY ARE YOU INFRINGING ON MY CIVIL RIGHT TO SEE THE PHOTO, AS GUARANTEED IN THE CONSTITUTION? YOU ARE A JACK BOOTED FASCIST TOOL OF THE ONE PERCENT!!!!!
"Liberalism is arbitrarily selective in its choice of whose dignity to champion." Adrian Vermeule
"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy.
It is our job to see that it stays there." - George Orwell
Somebody's getting tired of submarine jokes and getting sensitive, that is obviously.
Yes. I are sensitive. Bite me.
Misbehavior? These aren't children. They are adults taking responsibility for the direction their society is taking. And no, it's not okay to mace an old lady when she doesn't go where she's told like a dog. You mean to tell me there was NOTHING better for the cops to be doing? No robberies? No murders? No kid being abused somewhere?
Responsible ≠ blocking traffic and interfering when someone assaults a cop. If you think that you're out of your gourd. And since when do the cops get to chose which orders to follow?
BD: I won't even bother. But I will defend your right to be a jackass to the end. You're welcome.
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Blaidd Drwg wrote:90% of the people lifting in gyms are doing it on "feel" and what they really "feel" like is being a lazy fuck.
"A good man always knows his limitations..." -- "Dirty" Harry Callahan
"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy.
It is our job to see that it stays there." - George Orwell
The Crawdaddy wrote:I will defend my right to pull a fat government paycheck to the bitter end. You're welcome.
"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy.
It is our job to see that it stays there." - George Orwell
Here's the retired chief of the Philly PD getting arrested in full uniform for participating in OWS.
"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy.
It is our job to see that it stays there." - George Orwell
LULZ. Bite me. 5 Scotches in makes that shit hard. And I'm ok with the fact that you don't appreciate what I do. I never asked for your appreciation.
Back on subject:
Pictures only tell a part of the story. A perfect historical example:
Most of you have probably seen this photo:
It was made in February 1st, 1968. in Saigon, after the North Vietnamese forces started Tet offensive. A man with a hand gun was South Vietnamese officer, general Nguyễn Ngọc Loan. A prisoner was Nguyễn Văn Lém. Photograph was made by Eddie Adams who was AP photojournalist in Vietnam.
This photograph made great influence on American public opinion, turning it against American involvement in Vietnam war. Eddie Adams won a Pulitzer Prize for that one. About that day he wrote:
I just followed the three of them as they walked towards us, making an occasional picture. When they were close - maybe five feet away - the soldiers stopped and backed away. I saw a man walk into my camera viewfinder from the left. He took a pistol out of his holster and raised it. I had no idea he would shoot. It was common to hold a pistol to the head of prisoners during questioning. So I prepared to make that picture - the threat, the interrogation. But it didn't happen. The man just pulled a pistol out of his holster, raised it to the VC's head and shot him in the temple. I made a picture at the same time.
This is all about a cruelty of war. We can see armed man executing helpless prisoner. Evil that wins over truth and life. But, as Adams later said, photography is just a half of the story. According the South Vietnamese sources, Nguyễn Văn Lém (a prisoner) was Viet Cong officer who has been caught the same day close the ditch holding as many as thirty-four bound and shot bodies of police and their relatives, some of whom were the families of general Loan's deputy... General Loan escaped to USA after the war, where he died in 1998. Eddie Adams died too, 5 years ago.
For me this photograph is a proof what one single moment in someone`s life can change a destinu of one man and millions of people. There is nothing heroic in executing helpless man. People act weird in stressful and life threatening situations. One day you are a hero. Tomorrow you are war criminal. We will probably never know which one of the stories were true. All involved are dead, just a photo remained to tell its own story.
Eddie Adams:
The general killed the Viet Cong; I killed the general with my camera. Still photographs are the most powerful weapon in the world. People believe them; but photographs do lie, even without manipulation. They are only half-truths.
So you can put as many photos as you like in here, but without context, they are just as worthless as a third nipple.
Blaidd Drwg wrote:90% of the people lifting in gyms are doing it on "feel" and what they really "feel" like is being a lazy fuck.
"A good man always knows his limitations..." -- "Dirty" Harry Callahan
"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy.
It is our job to see that it stays there." - George Orwell
I appreciate you crawdaddy, just not your opinions.
"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy.
It is our job to see that it stays there." - George Orwell
