Navy SEALS Affirmative Action Program

tough old man · Post by **tough old man** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:41 pm

This is about the average class experience across selections.

Thatcher II · Post by **Thatcher II** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:50 pm

Genuinely surprised at the number of lads with spectacles. If I had to guess, I'd say you were middle row, middle.

Grandpa's Spells · Post by **Grandpa's Spells** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:59 pm

The Ginger Beard Man wrote:
Gorbachev wrote:
The Ginger Beard Man wrote:My father was a lifeguard at a publicly funded inner city swimming pool in the very early sixties. He had a police escort every time he walked to the lifeguard chair.
Imagine the outcry someday when the bodies of minority SEALs come home. Young home the government sought out in childhood to send away on the most dangerous missions so whitey wouldn't have to die.
I think a few black soldiers have died in the GWOT so far. And they make up about 24% of the US army. What else you got.
You lend credence to my point. We already hear the bullshit argument about minorities being sent to die.

No we don't.

Blaidd Drwg · Post by **Blaidd Drwg** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:01 pm

Gorbachev wrote:Not much appetite for truth-seeking here, IMHO. The minds are in lock-down.

If you are interested in "attracting the best talent" and nothing more, you cast your net as widely as you can. You should want to be able to hire diversely - geographically, discipline-wise, age, sex, orientation. If you're working at the cutting edge of something that means you might need something different - an angle, a problem-solving capability, linguistic tools or whatever - then you don't get hung up on 2012 data and think that this reflects innate limitations in given parts of the population. You try to look at WHY opportunities are passed up, wasted or never explored. You ask whether this is hurting your organisation. If it is or it even could, you do something about it. At least that's what a smart, dynamic organisation that is going to thrive and prosper in the 21st century is required to do.

Like Al Qaeda are going to sit around bitching about how white kids don't like the heat. LOL.

Talent at soldiering has fuck all to do with physical gifts and everything to do with mentality.
Part Duex of the response: You don't hire the most "gifted" of anything...you hire the most adequately suited to do the job. This is not the NBA. "Gifted" athletes are 90% of the time unreliable specialist crybabies off the field. Perfect for track and field. useless at life.

tough old man · Post by **tough old man** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:05 pm

if I had to guess, I'd say you were middle row, middle

No, maybe Johno though.

Cave Canem · Post by **Cave Canem** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:09 pm

tough old man wrote:
if I had to guess, I'd say you were middle row, middle
No, maybe Johno though.

Where is that?

tough old man · Post by **tough old man** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:11 pm

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Calvi.

Djibouti.
The yearly march across the island.

Thatcher II · Post by **Thatcher II** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:17 pm

tough old man wrote:
if I had to guess, I'd say you were middle row, middle
No, maybe Johno though.

Cool photo. At first I thought everyone's pants looked a bit tight, but I guess if you're jumping out of a plane, you don't want them flapping around, hitting you in the face.

Thatcher II · Post by **Thatcher II** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:18 pm

Blaidd Drwg wrote:
Gorbachev wrote:Not much appetite for truth-seeking here, IMHO. The minds are in lock-down.

If you are interested in "attracting the best talent" and nothing more, you cast your net as widely as you can. You should want to be able to hire diversely - geographically, discipline-wise, age, sex, orientation. If you're working at the cutting edge of something that means you might need something different - an angle, a problem-solving capability, linguistic tools or whatever - then you don't get hung up on 2012 data and think that this reflects innate limitations in given parts of the population. You try to look at WHY opportunities are passed up, wasted or never explored. You ask whether this is hurting your organisation. If it is or it even could, you do something about it. At least that's what a smart, dynamic organisation that is going to thrive and prosper in the 21st century is required to do.

Like Al Qaeda are going to sit around bitching about how white kids don't like the heat. LOL.
Talent at soldiering has fuck all to do with physical gifts and everything to do with mentality.
Part Duex of the response: You don't hire the most "gifted" of anything...you hire the most adequately suited to do the job. This is not the NBA. "Gifted" athletes are 90% of the time unreliable specialist crybabies off the field. Perfect for track and field. useless at life.

Shut your cracker trap, BD.

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:24 pm

Grandpa's Spells wrote:
The Ginger Beard Man wrote:
Gorbachev wrote:
The Ginger Beard Man wrote:My father was a lifeguard at a publicly funded inner city swimming pool in the very early sixties. He had a police escort every time he walked to the lifeguard chair.
Imagine the outcry someday when the bodies of minority SEALs come home. Young home the government sought out in childhood to send away on the most dangerous missions so whitey wouldn't have to die.
I think a few black soldiers have died in the GWOT so far. And they make up about 24% of the US army. What else you got.
You lend credence to my point. We already hear the bullshit argument about minorities being sent to die.
No we don't.

The argument is that the working class and the poor are being sent to die.

Blaidd Drwg · Post by **Blaidd Drwg** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:33 pm

Gorbachev wrote:slow dribbling DNC mouth farts

Nigger What?

powerlifter54 · Post by **powerlifter54** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:37 pm

Turdacious wrote:
Grandpa's Spells wrote:
The Ginger Beard Man wrote:
Gorbachev wrote:
The Ginger Beard Man wrote:My father was a lifeguard at a publicly funded inner city swimming pool in the very early sixties. He had a police escort every time he walked to the lifeguard chair.
Imagine the outcry someday when the bodies of minority SEALs come home. Young home the government sought out in childhood to send away on the most dangerous missions so whitey wouldn't have to die.
I think a few black soldiers have died in the GWOT so far. And they make up about 24% of the US army. What else you got.
You lend credence to my point. We already hear the bullshit argument about minorities being sent to die.
No we don't.
The argument is that the working class and the poor are being sent to die.

Working class, yes.

Poor..nope. They are typing and handing out basketballs.

tough old man · Post by **tough old man** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:40 pm

The ratio of black deaths to white deaths since 1990 has been about 5 white guys to every 1 black troop. I had to read a 32 page study to get to that stat FWIW.

Thatcher II · Post by **Thatcher II** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:45 pm

Blaidd Drwg wrote:
Gorbachev wrote:slow dribbling DNC mouth farts
Nigger What?

Why did you use a capital "w"? And no comma after you had used the word "nigger" in the vocative sense? You're really fucking with me here, BD, you bad bastard.

Tough Old Man wrote:The ratio of black deaths to white deaths since 1990 has been about 5 white guys to every 1 black troop. I had to read a 32 page study to get to that stat FWIW.

So really, the article you highlighted in the opening post is about affirmative action for whites?

powerlifter54 · Post by **powerlifter54** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:53 pm

http://www.flickr.com/photos/fybix/2232776412/
Sometimes forcing the issue has unanticipated results.

johno · Post by **johno** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:04 am

tough old man wrote:This is about the average class experience across selections.

tom, exactly two years before my class.

IIRC, the black guy in the front row was from an African country. There were a few Pakistani officers in the front row, also.

powerlifter54 · Post by **powerlifter54** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:14 am

sign up these pipe hittin...

tough old man · Post by **tough old man** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:46 am

Too many identifying marks. Swimming in bling is hardcore.

Shafpocalypse Now · Post by **Shafpocalypse Now** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:11 am

Gorby, no disrespect intended, but you have no idea on how the average urban minority thinks in the US...The armed forces? Oh hell no, a nigga could get shot!

I'm betting a baby momma with 2 baby daddies makes more in SSI than a soldier.

Schlegel · Post by **Schlegel** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:35 am

I have seen people claim that the poor and minorities are being sent to die, but honestly the truth is the military is drawn predominantly from middle class and lower middle class white guys because that's who volunteers. It's not because the military has a preference- I assure you recruiters don't care a tiny bit what ethnicity you are, they need to make quota. I have a bunch of former and current military family members. They don't give a shit what color anybody is if they do a good job. That crap was all hashed out in the 70's.

Grandpa's Spells · Post by **Grandpa's Spells** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:38 am

Turdacious wrote:
Grandpa's Spells wrote:
The Ginger Beard Man wrote:
Gorbachev wrote:
The Ginger Beard Man wrote:My father was a lifeguard at a publicly funded inner city swimming pool in the very early sixties. He had a police escort every time he walked to the lifeguard chair.
Imagine the outcry someday when the bodies of minority SEALs come home. Young home the government sought out in childhood to send away on the most dangerous missions so whitey wouldn't have to die.
I think a few black soldiers have died in the GWOT so far. And they make up about 24% of the US army. What else you got.
You lend credence to my point. We already hear the bullshit argument about minorities being sent to die.
No we don't.
The argument is that the working class and the poor are being sent to die.

Which is a different argument.

kreator · Post by **kreator** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:19 am

Schlegel wrote:I have seen people claim that the poor and minorities are being sent to die, but honestly the truth is the military is drawn predominantly from middle class and lower middle class white guys because that's who volunteers. It's not because the military has a preference- I assure you recruiters don't care a tiny bit what ethnicity you are, they need to make quota. I have a bunch of former and current military family members. They don't give a shit what color anybody is if they do a good job. That crap was all hashed out in the 70's.

Actually there's a surprising number of upper class enlistees represented in the military.
It might even be fair to say that there are more guys from rich families than from poor families in the military.

Thatcher II · Post by **Thatcher II** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:08 am

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Gorby, no disrespect intended, but you have no idea on how the average urban minority thinks in the US...The armed forces? Oh hell no, a nigga could get shot!

I'm betting a baby momma with 2 baby daddies makes more in SSI than a soldier.

Ain't that the truth, Brother Shafley. Seems the PC Brigade want us all to apologise just for being White! They're all communists. And blacks are lazy. My great grandaddy said he didn't even like beaten em but they was lazy and being how they was slaves he had no choice. That was how it was for a reason. Praise Jesus God Almighty save us from evil. Satan is behind this latest "inishutive". It'll end bad for some folks. Mark my words.

Bobby · Post by **Bobby** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:11 pm

Have you got gender advisors wandering around in the US armed forces yet?
Sounds like a joke but they`ve opened a gender center here in Sweden...

Shafpocalypse Now · Post by **Shafpocalypse Now** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:38 pm

It's not racism, it's just observation. I might couch it in a smart assed way, but it's not.

Once again, being from some other fucking place than the US, you don't have a handle on race relations in the US.

IGX

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