resisting a swat team raid

SAR · Post by **SAR** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:24 pm

So, I find it interesting that there are developing laws allowing one to defend themselves against inappropriate no-knock warrants.
I ride along with the county swat team as medical support on their barricade suspects/no knock warrants, and the like (actually, several of us do).
While it looks impressive on TV, it is overwhelming in real life. To be awoken with your door bashed in, followed by a flash bang (FUCK those are loud-it's loud from the armored bearcat they stick us in), and 20-30 armed and armored men screaming at you would make it nearly impossible to mount resistance. I think any attempt would be immediately fatal.

I'm glad I'm friends with the locals!

Blaidd Drwg · Post by **Blaidd Drwg** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:27 pm

It does seem a dubious prospect to resist. What sort of warrants are being served that you've seen?

Shapecharge · Post by **Shapecharge** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:34 pm

Unpaid medical bills.

Pinky · Post by **Pinky** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:40 pm

I have two plans to deal with potentially armed intruders in my house. One for intrusions by a handful of bad guys, and another for intrusions by a larger number of trained (hopefully) professions. The latter plan involves putting my hands behind my head, doing what they tell me to, and suing the fuck out of everyone involved.

TerryB · Post by **TerryB** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:55 pm

SAR wrote:So, I find it interesting that there are developing laws allowing one to defend themselves against inappropriate no-knock warrants.

Those will only be useful in the civil suit after you're shot and killed for resisting.

SAR · Post by **SAR** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:02 pm

we see drug busts mostly.

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:05 pm

Fuckin NAZIS.

Blaidd Drwg · Post by **Blaidd Drwg** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:13 pm

SAR wrote:we see drug busts mostly.

have you ever for one minute felt like the amount of force was justified?

SAR · Post by **SAR** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:23 am

Blaidd Drwg wrote:
SAR wrote:we see drug busts mostly.

have you ever for one minute felt like the amount of force was justified?

I feel like the war on drugs is a waste of resources. However, the purpose of overwhelming force is to prevent anyone from attempting resistance-probably decreases the likelihood of violence to be honest. The last bust I was on, the guy had an arsenal. The team has been fired on twice since we started covering them last october.

Blaidd Drwg · Post by **Blaidd Drwg** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:31 am

i appreciate your honesty.

now hang your head is shame for your complicity in the the most shameful chapter in US history since we handed out smallpox blankets

Zombomatic · Post by **Zombomatic** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:48 am

Most American yards and houses offer about as much resistance to entry as a wet paper bag. Someone who invests a little into enhancing the defensibility of their home will change that "oh my god what's going on they're in my house" to "hours long standoff" pretty quickly.

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:52 am

ZOG marches on.

Blaidd Drwg · Post by **Blaidd Drwg** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:57 am

Zombomatic wrote:Most American yards and houses offer about as much resistance to entry as a wet paper bag. Someone who invests a little into enhancing the defensibility of their home will change that "oh my god what's going on they're in my house" to "hours long standoff" pretty quickly.

Article Please Comrade!

SAR · Post by **SAR** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:06 am

Blaidd Drwg wrote:i appreciate your honesty.

now hang your head is shame for your complicity in the the most shameful chapter in US history since we handed out smallpox blankets

I'm responsible for the care of injured suspects as well as injury officers.

Schlegel · Post by **Schlegel** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:49 am

Blaidd Drwg wrote:i appreciate your honesty.

now hang your head is shame for your complicity in the the most shameful chapter in US history since we handed out smallpox blankets

Not a fan of the drug war, but.... The blanket thing never happened. There is no evidence for it. Smallpox spread naturally from the early Spanish and had already had the majority of it's effect before America got busy on the Indians. In fact, before there even was a USA.

Zombomatic · Post by **Zombomatic** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:56 am

Blaidd Drwg wrote:
Zombomatic wrote:Most American yards and houses offer about as much resistance to entry as a wet paper bag. Someone who invests a little into enhancing the defensibility of their home will change that "oh my god what's going on they're in my house" to "hours long standoff" pretty quickly.

Article Please Comrade!

Summary of yet-unwritten article:

Courtyard wall tall enough to not be able to jump over, thick enough to not be crashable with SWAT vehicles
Beefy steel entrance doors
Either no ground level windows, or covered with stout bars. No windows is the much better option
Parapet on roof

Pinky · Post by **Pinky** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:14 am

Zombomatic wrote:
Blaidd Drwg wrote:
Zombomatic wrote:Most American yards and houses offer about as much resistance to entry as a wet paper bag. Someone who invests a little into enhancing the defensibility of their home will change that "oh my god what's going on they're in my house" to "hours long standoff" pretty quickly.

Article Please Comrade!
Summary of yet-unwritten article:

Live some place with no zoning or other ordinaces that might get in the way of constructing an above-ground bomb shelter.
Courtyard wall tall enough to not be able to jump over, thick enough to not be crashable with SWAT vehicles
Beefy steel entrance doors
Either no ground level windows, or covered with stout bars. No windows is the much better option
Parapet on roof

Zombomatic · Post by **Zombomatic** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:22 am

Actually, I just described the typical house/courtyard in Fallujah, Iraq. They mostly looked pretty nice, and would pass most zoning boards here, at least suburban and rural ones. Wasn't til I thought about it that I realized almost none of them had first floor windows. They also had a thing for marble driveways. Weird.

Those places were quite resistant to assault by infantry with some pretty heavy duty weaponry, so a similar building would stand quite a bit of abuse against a typical SWAT.

Protobuilder · Post by **Protobuilder** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:30 am

Zombomatic wrote:
Blaidd Drwg wrote:
Zombomatic wrote:Most American yards and houses offer about as much resistance to entry as a wet paper bag. Someone who invests a little into enhancing the defensibility of their home will change that "oh my god what's going on they're in my house" to "hours long standoff" pretty quickly.

Article Please Comrade!
Summary of yet-unwritten article:

Courtyard wall tall enough to not be able to jump over, thick enough to not be crashable with SWAT vehicles
Beefy steel entrance doors
Either no ground level windows, or covered with stout bars. No windows is the much better option
Parapet on roof

I was offered a position in Yemen and they included all of that and a trained machine gunner on the roof round the clock as well.

It didn't make me feel as safe as you may believe.

powerlifter54 · Post by **powerlifter54** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:30 am

i seem to recall the branch davidians, while not so good at theology, gave the ATF quite a welcome. Now of course the ATF approached the house well after dawn when all the inhabitants were up in order to make good network TV.

Bottom line:if you see a guy dressed like a ninja on your garage roof trying to get in your daughters window, engage the ninja with sufficient firepower to discourage him and his friends. Understand you will not be able to resist depleted uranium rounds later in the altercation fired by tanks but the ninja won't know that.

WildGorillaMan · Post by **WildGorillaMan** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:50 am

Terry B. wrote:
I was offered a position in Yemen and they included all of that and a trained machine gunner on the roof round the clock as well.

It didn't make me feel as safe as you may believe.

People that have arrangements like that tend to feel that they need them. A home in my neighborhood has high stone walls, a wrought iron front grate that wouldn't be out of place at an embassy, and used to have German shepherds patrolling the grounds.

I used to wonder who he was trying to keep out. Now that the house is for sale and he's in prison I guess I know.

Protobuilder · Post by **Protobuilder** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:37 am

WildGorillaMan wrote:
Terry B. wrote:
I was offered a position in Yemen and they included all of that and a trained machine gunner on the roof round the clock as well.

It didn't make me feel as safe as you may believe.
People that have arrangements like that tend to feel that they need them. A home in my neighborhood has high stone walls, a wrought iron front grate that wouldn't be out of place at an embassy, and used to have German shepherds patrolling the grounds.

I used to wonder who he was trying to keep out. Now that the house is for sale and he's in prison I guess I know.

The pitch was "well, you may have heard that a few years ago, we had a suicide bomber that rammed the building.......".

By the time he got to, "if your wife ever want to leave the compound, we will send a guard along with the driver" I was wondering where to sign.

Blaidd Drwg · Post by **Blaidd Drwg** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:45 am

that sounds like a harsh gig...how many porn channels?

Protobuilder · Post by **Protobuilder** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:29 am

Blaidd Drwg wrote:that sounds like a harsh gig...how many porn channels?

No idea though as it was in the middle east, you may need to define what you mean by 'porn'.

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