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johno wrote:http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/18/news/ec ... /index.htm

What is "effective tax rate," Alec?
Effective rate is different. If the guy said Romney's effective tax rate was 15%, he'd be wrong.
I see, Pink was objecting because a middle American's effective tax rate may be lower than 15%.
It's really all of this. The average tax rate for the middle quintile was about 14% in 2007, according to the CBO. But everyone in America believes they're middle class and pay very high taxes. Saying that 15% is substantially less than what middle America is flatly wrong but plays to most readers' prejudices.

It's also nonsensical to talk about the taxes paid by someone as filthy rich as Romney without talking about the incidence of corporate taxes. He owns big pieces of corporations. The top 1% only has an average rate of around 20% if you only count income and social security, but it's almost 30% when you count the incidence of corporate taxes.

It's fine if people want to argue that he's a mega-rich asshole and his taxes need to be higher, but the idea that someone like Romney (or Buffet) pays a lower percent of their income in taxes than middle America is a lie.

As for why Romney would even play into that lie, my guess is that he thought it would sound better than trying to explain that he own so much in stocks that the corporate taxes he (effectively) pays amounts to more money than most Americans will ever see.
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Labor market participation. It's the percent of working age adults who are either employed or unemployed (looking for a job). The decline in labor market participation reflects people believing their prospects are so bad that they give up on job search.
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baffled wrote:I don't want to vote for Mitt, but I don't want to vote for Obama...
Good news! Your vote won't matter.
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baffled wrote:I don't want to vote for Mitt, but I don't want to vote for Obama...
Good news! Your vote won't matter.
I'm all about the third party yo. That way I can get on my own version of the pseudo moralistic high horse. I'm psyched.
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Third party votes are important because it reminds the powers that be that there are people who want real options.
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baffled wrote:
Pinky wrote:
baffled wrote:I don't want to vote for Mitt, but I don't want to vote for Obama...
Good news! Your vote won't matter.
I'm all about the third party yo. That way I can get on my own version of the pseudo moralistic high horse. I'm psyched.
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Turdacious wrote:
baffled wrote:
Pinky wrote:
baffled wrote:I don't want to vote for Mitt, but I don't want to vote for Obama...
Good news! Your vote won't matter.
I'm all about the third party yo. That way I can get on my own version of the pseudo moralistic high horse. I'm psyched.
https://www.facebook.com/PaulMcKinney2012
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baffled wrote:
Turdacious wrote:
baffled wrote:
Pinky wrote:
baffled wrote:I don't want to vote for Mitt, but I don't want to vote for Obama...
Good news! Your vote won't matter.
I'm all about the third party yo. That way I can get on my own version of the pseudo moralistic high horse. I'm psyched.
https://www.facebook.com/PaulMcKinney2012
I only vote for white people and Hawaiians as long as they don't have any Filipino in them. Who else you got?
Chaos n Pain-- wait, he's probably had a Filipino in him.
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Turdacious wrote:
baffled wrote:
Turdacious wrote:
baffled wrote:
Pinky wrote:
baffled wrote:I don't want to vote for Mitt, but I don't want to vote for Obama...
Good news! Your vote won't matter.
I'm all about the third party yo. That way I can get on my own version of the pseudo moralistic high horse. I'm psyched.
https://www.facebook.com/PaulMcKinney2012
I only vote for white people and Hawaiians as long as they don't have any Filipino in them. Who else you got?
Chaos n Pain-- wait, he's probably had a Filipino in him.
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baffled wrote: is the implication that Obama hasn't been quite possibly the shittiest president ever?
Every president gets a free pass on being "possibly the shittiest president" so long as W remains alive.
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baffled wrote:
Turdacious wrote:
baffled wrote:
Pinky wrote:
baffled wrote:I don't want to vote for Mitt, but I don't want to vote for Obama...
Good news! Your vote won't matter.
I'm all about the third party yo. That way I can get on my own version of the pseudo moralistic high horse. I'm psyched.
https://www.facebook.com/PaulMcKinney2012
I only vote for white people and Hawaiians as long as they don't have any Filipino in them. Who else you got?
http://www.kotlikoff2012.org
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Phelps2012! Can the Romney's or Obama's sing like this?
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There aren't very many good things about being poor - but one nice thing is it doesn't really matter who is in office - we're screwed either way. One less thing to worry about I guess.

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Romney is now burdened by unexplained offshore finances, hidden tax returns, dubious disclosures, controversial investments, unanswered questions about his individual retirement account that somehow ended up with more than $100 million, and claims about his business that contradict SEC filings.

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Fat Cat wrote:Romney is now burdened by unexplained offshore finances, hidden tax returns, dubious disclosures, controversial investments, unanswered questions about his individual retirement account that somehow ended up with more than $100 million, and claims about his business that contradict SEC filings.

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2 ... anger?lite
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Honestly, his main problem is that nobody likes him. Not even his supporters.
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Fat Cat wrote:Honestly, his main problem is that nobody likes him. Not even his supporters.
Only the ones who haven't attended one of his dinner table events.
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I don't even know what that means.
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I echo the "don't want to vote for Obama but don't want to vote for Romney" sentiment.

Obama has made me think that perhaps W wasn't that bad. W made people realize that Clinton was better than they had thought. I fear that Romney would make people long for Obama.

In fact, Romney is so bad that I sense a conspiracy of some sort. Does the GOP's plan really revolve around standing up and trying to block everything that comes down the pipeline in order to stuff as much cash in their pockets as possible? It feels like they are trying not to win the election.
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Terry B. wrote: It feels like they are trying not to win the election.
Romney is a cardboard cutout that looks like a Republican candidate. He won the primaries because voters preferred a cutout to a crazy person, and that was probably the correct decision. This race was never going to be about who the Republicans nominated. It was, and will likely continue to be, about Obama and the economy. Santorum's desire to peek through your bedroom windows or Gingrich's desire to declare war on Martians would have been a distraction.

It's possible that Romney's financial dealings will also become a distraction, but that will depend on the Obama campaign's ability to keep it in the press. The problem for them will be that stuff on tax forms is boring and hard to understand, and talking about crap your opponent did years ago that is boring and hard to understand could easily backfire.
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Fat Cat wrote:Romney is now burdened by unexplained offshore finances, hidden tax returns, dubious disclosures, controversial investments, unanswered questions about his individual retirement account that somehow ended up with more than $100 million, and claims about his business that contradict SEC filings.

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2 ... anger?lite
I saw a blurb on Facebook that said something like, why is everyone more worried about what Romney does with his money than what Obama does with their money?

I guess a partial response is that Romney's money is ill-gotten gains that is partially a result of smartly playing the tax-loophole game that regular Joes can't play.
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All I have to say...Rape Mittens are going to be the next big thing in my Fall Collection.
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