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Kraj 2.0 wrote:

Terry B. wrote:

Kraj 2.0 wrote:

Yes, I'm drunk wrote:There's something I don't understand here. If Joe Paterno wasn't the only person to know about this, then why is he getting all the shit?

Because the whole point of this report is to pin it all on the slow-witted patsy and the dead guy, to cover up the others involved.

Precisely. Others have careers and money to be made.

As well as sharing in Sandusky's sick fetishes.

I don't think they give a shit about what he did nearly as much as the financial side of the equation.

Let's say that they expose this back a decade or so and the media digs out that it's been happening for decades. The impact on the program over the past ten years would be far greater than $60m - behind closed doors, they are likely patting themselves on the back for coming out ahead.

Terry B. wrote:If they want to hold PSU up as an example, the program should be closed down for the next 4-5 years at least.

ESPN is reporting that most of the NCAA wanted to see the same.

Emmert told Erickson in a phone conversation on July 17 that a majority of the NCAA's leadership wanted to levy the four-year penalty because of Penn State's leaders' roles in covering up the child sexual abuse of former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/ ... th-penalty

The new President cut a deal and avoided the death penalty and the board is pissed at him for dealing. Of course, as the article quotes the head coach and president as saying, they get to play football and they get to play football on TV - it will be interesting to see what corporate sponsors line up to have their product associated with such a piece of crap program.

You know you are in a bad situation when your coaching contract as a clause that reads:

"Any sanction by the NCAA of a) loss of scholarships or b) bowl eligibility due to the actions of the previous staff or lack of institutional control prior to 2012 will immediately result in an automatic extension of coach's contract at 2016 total compensation and bonus package in years equal to the number of years of the sanctions," the addendum said.

New coach gets a four year extension from this.

Terry B. wrote:I don't think they give a shit about what he did nearly as much as the financial side of the equation.

Let's say that they expose this back a decade or so and the media digs out that it's been happening for decades. The impact on the program over the past ten years would be far greater than $60m - behind closed doors, they are likely patting themselves on the back for coming out ahead.

So you think Sandusky was the only one diddling kids in those circles?

Kraj 2.0 wrote:

Terry B. wrote:I don't think they give a shit about what he did nearly as much as the financial side of the equation.

Let's say that they expose this back a decade or so and the media digs out that it's been happening for decades. The impact on the program over the past ten years would be far greater than $60m - behind closed doors, they are likely patting themselves on the back for coming out ahead.

So you think Sandusky was the only one diddling kids in those circles?

Nobody could say that no other abuse occurs but, no, I have any reason to think that there was this ring of pedophiles that you seem to believe in.

Terry B. wrote:

Kraj 2.0 wrote:

Terry B. wrote:I don't think they give a shit about what he did nearly as much as the financial side of the equation.

Let's say that they expose this back a decade or so and the media digs out that it's been happening for decades. The impact on the program over the past ten years would be far greater than $60m - behind closed doors, they are likely patting themselves on the back for coming out ahead.

So you think Sandusky was the only one diddling kids in those circles?

Nobody could say that no other abuse occurs but, no, I have any reason to think that there was this ring of pedophiles that you seem to believe in.

Agreed.... highly doubtful they were having coaches meetings with a crew of pedos

Terry B. wrote:

Kraj 2.0 wrote:

Terry B. wrote:I don't think they give a shit about what he did nearly as much as the financial side of the equation.

Let's say that they expose this back a decade or so and the media digs out that it's been happening for decades. The impact on the program over the past ten years would be far greater than $60m - behind closed doors, they are likely patting themselves on the back for coming out ahead.

So you think Sandusky was the only one diddling kids in those circles?

Nobody could say that no other abuse occurs but, no, I have any reason to think that there was this ring of pedophiles that you seem to believe in.

When Sandusky was "found out", why didn't the university distance itself from him and sever ties? The "it would cause a scandal and make the school look bad logic" doesn't hold water. The higher ups could have easily said "We'll keep this under wrap, but you have to resign from the team and take off. Claim that you're burned out, want to explore the next stage of your life, etc. In exchange for us not ratting you out, you have to cut all ties with us and make it look natural." That would've been the end of it. Sandusky would've left and their public image would've stayed the same. Why, instead, did they keep him around and even give him privileged status?

It's obvious there's more to this than just a bunch of greedy administrators trying to keep revenue rolling in. Sandusky and his charity that had access to thousands of vulnerable boys was of use to some people, and those people kept Sandusky fat and happy for as long as they could get away with it.

Kraj 2.0 wrote:

Terry B. wrote:

Kraj 2.0 wrote:

Terry B. wrote:I don't think they give a shit about what he did nearly as much as the financial side of the equation.

Let's say that they expose this back a decade or so and the media digs out that it's been happening for decades. The impact on the program over the past ten years would be far greater than $60m - behind closed doors, they are likely patting themselves on the back for coming out ahead.

So you think Sandusky was the only one diddling kids in those circles?

Nobody could say that no other abuse occurs but, no, I have any reason to think that there was this ring of pedophiles that you seem to believe in.

When Sandusky was "found out", why didn't the university distance itself from him and sever ties? The "it would cause a scandal and make the school look bad logic" doesn't hold water. The higher ups could have easily said "We'll keep this under wrap, but you have to resign from the team and take off. Claim that you're burned out, want to explore the next stage of your life, etc. In exchange for us not ratting you out, you have to cut all ties with us and make it look natural." That would've been the end of it. Sandusky would've left and their public image would've stayed the same. Why, instead, did they keep him around and even give him privileged status?

It's obvious there's more to this than just a bunch of greedy administrators trying to keep revenue rolling in. Sandusky and his charity that had access to thousands of vulnerable boys was of use to some people, and those people kept Sandusky fat and happy for as long as they could get away with it.

I don't want to encourage you but, as far as conspiracy theories go, that is really, really good.

I mean that in a sincere kind of way.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... al-lawsuit

Good move - roll back the sanctions and instead go with the death penalty that most people wanted earlier.

Terry B. wrote:http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8240385/penn-state-nittany-lions-trustees-appeal-ncaa-vow-federal-lawsuit

Good move - roll back the sanctions and instead go with the death penalty that most people wanted earlier.

Jesus. They have balls.

You know at the heart of this is children getting molested and they have the moral audacity to complain.

Kraj 2.0 wrote:When Sandusky was "found out", why didn't the university distance itself from him and sever ties? The "it would cause a scandal and make the school look bad logic" doesn't hold water. The higher ups could have easily said "We'll keep this under wrap, but you have to resign from the team and take off. Claim that you're burned out, want to explore the next stage of your life, etc. In exchange for us not ratting you out, you have to cut all ties with us and make it look natural." That would've been the end of it. Sandusky would've left and their public image would've stayed the same. Why, instead, did they keep him around and even give him privileged status?

It's obvious there's more to this than just a bunch of greedy administrators trying to keep revenue rolling in. Sandusky and his charity that had access to thousands of vulnerable boys was of use to some people, and those people kept Sandusky fat and happy for as long as they could get away with it.

Keep in mind, too, that a district attorney apparently offed himself and destroyed his laptop when earlier victims came forward - after declining to press charges.

In my mind, this screams that there were a lot of powerful men in Happy Valley involved, and that most likely, Second Mile was being used as a prostitution service specializing in young boys - the place to go in Central PA if you wanted to suck young cock and feel a little boy's asshole contracting around your dick.

I'm just kinda surprised the entire papal staff from the vatican didn't vacation there.

Jay wrote:

Terry B. wrote:http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8240385/penn-state-nittany-lions-trustees-appeal-ncaa-vow-federal-lawsuit

Good move - roll back the sanctions and instead go with the death penalty that most people wanted earlier.

Jesus. They have balls.

You know at the heart of this is children getting molested and they have the moral audacity to complain.

I'm not a Paterno sycophant or PSU troofer, but I actually agree that the process of handing out the sanctions was fubar. One of the key dings the Freeh Report makes against PSU was that the board of trustees was uninvolved. Well, guess what? The negotiation of sanctions has *huge* impact on the school, and the board was uninvolved. That was flat-out wrong; total bullshit.

Second, it just happened too quick. It happened so fast that people haven't had a chance to understand what was at risk, what were the options, why this path is actually a relatively good deal, why this path is the right one to go down. Stuff like that takes time for people to get their heads around, and its better for all concerned if you have some patience.

I know McCombie, the trustee who is raising the big stink, casually. He's a good guy who does things because they're right, not because they're popular. Retired Navy Capt. His big dink is with the process. Why have a board to help make critical decisions if you're going to blow them off when you have a critical decision?

Not really related, but his son was also a PSU grad. Navy ROTC. Went on to become a naval aviator, flying S-3s. His son's plane was lost at sea about 10 minutes after a night cat shot, likely controlled flight into the water. McCombie handled it all with extraordinary grace.

all major colleges run professional sports programs that are effectively independent of the university. these programs profit on the unpaid labor of the players--i won't call them students. and the presidents and boards endorse this activity.

at penn state, the board was only too happy to have a hot shit pro football program and abdicated to paterno.

i can see why they'd be pissed off at not being consulted regarding the sanctions, but i can also see the new president wanted to get the sanctions settled and move on and not involve the very group who were part of the problem in the first place.

pure conjecture on my part.

BobW wrote:

Kraj 2.0 wrote:When Sandusky was "found out", why didn't the university distance itself from him and sever ties? The "it would cause a scandal and make the school look bad logic" doesn't hold water. The higher ups could have easily said "We'll keep this under wrap, but you have to resign from the team and take off. Claim that you're burned out, want to explore the next stage of your life, etc. In exchange for us not ratting you out, you have to cut all ties with us and make it look natural." That would've been the end of it. Sandusky would've left and their public image would've stayed the same. Why, instead, did they keep him around and even give him privileged status?

It's obvious there's more to this than just a bunch of greedy administrators trying to keep revenue rolling in. Sandusky and his charity that had access to thousands of vulnerable boys was of use to some people, and those people kept Sandusky fat and happy for as long as they could get away with it.

Keep in mind, too, that a district attorney apparently offed himself and destroyed his laptop when earlier victims came forward - after declining to press charges.

In my mind, this screams that there were a lot of powerful men in Happy Valley involved, and that most likely, Second Mile was being used as a prostitution service specializing in young boys - the place to go in Central PA if you wanted to suck young cock and feel a little boy's asshole contracting around your dick.

I'm just kinda surprised the entire papal staff from the vatican didn't vacation there.

You think?

Terry B. wrote:http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... al-lawsuit

Good move - roll back the sanctions and instead go with the death penalty that most people wanted earlier.

At least that would focus on the correct programs. One of the fucked up thing about the fine is that it cannot be paid by cuts to athletic programs. If anything, they should have required that all of the money come from cuts to football and other athletic programs.

Pinky wrote:

Terry B. wrote:http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... al-lawsuit

Good move - roll back the sanctions and instead go with the death penalty that most people wanted earlier.

At least that would focus on the correct programs. One of the fucked up thing about the fine is that it cannot be paid by cuts to athletic programs. If anything, they should have required that all of the money come from cuts to football and other athletic programs.

I think that the agreement was that the fine couldn't come from cut to the other programs.

BobW wrote:

Kraj 2.0 wrote:When Sandusky was "found out", why didn't the university distance itself from him and sever ties? The "it would cause a scandal and make the school look bad logic" doesn't hold water. The higher ups could have easily said "We'll keep this under wrap, but you have to resign from the team and take off. Claim that you're burned out, want to explore the next stage of your life, etc. In exchange for us not ratting you out, you have to cut all ties with us and make it look natural." That would've been the end of it. Sandusky would've left and their public image would've stayed the same. Why, instead, did they keep him around and even give him privileged status?

It's obvious there's more to this than just a bunch of greedy administrators trying to keep revenue rolling in. Sandusky and his charity that had access to thousands of vulnerable boys was of use to some people, and those people kept Sandusky fat and happy for as long as they could get away with it.

Keep in mind, too, that a district attorney apparently offed himself and destroyed his laptop when earlier victims came forward - after declining to press charges.

In my mind, this screams that there were a lot of powerful men in Happy Valley involved, and that most likely, Second Mile was being used as a prostitution service specializing in young boys - the place to go in Central PA if you wanted to suck young cock and feel a little boy's asshole contracting around your dick.

I'm just kinda surprised the entire papal staff from the vatican didn't vacation there.

You are a crazy person. Suicide rates are high among lawyers in general and sky high in law enforcement. He disappeared in 2005. The walls weren't exactly closing in.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/loc ... 15093.html

Terry B. wrote:

Pinky wrote:

Terry B. wrote:http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... al-lawsuit

Good move - roll back the sanctions and instead go with the death penalty that most people wanted earlier.

At least that would focus on the correct programs. One of the fucked up thing about the fine is that it cannot be paid by cuts to athletic programs. If anything, they should have required that all of the money come from cuts to football and other athletic programs.

I think that the agreement was that the fine couldn't come from cut to the other programs.

Nope. The NCAA's announcement clearly says, "No current sponsored athletic team may be reduced or eliminated in order to fund this fine."

The announcement makes it clear that the NCAA doesn't want to punish student athletes who had nothing to do with the scandal. They claim that's why they didn't impose the "death penalty", and their structuring of the fine reflects the same concern. Students who aren't athletes, however, can go fuck themselves. It's OK for academic programs to be "reduced or eliminated".

perhaps when all-star economics students bring in sponsorship dollars from citibank, their program won't be threatened with cuts

dead man walking wrote:perhaps when all-star economics students bring in sponsorship dollars from citibank, their program won't be threatened with cuts

Settle down and don't even say something like that or sponsors will get the wrong idea. We can't let this one situation skew our educational priorities:
Football
Basketball
Assorted minority and wymen's studies
Other sports
Liberal Arts (especially assorted literature and theater majors)
Economics
Hard sciences

We won't stay #1 in the world with your crazy thinkings.

Pinky wrote:Nope. The NCAA's announcement clearly says, "No current sponsored athletic team may be reduced or eliminated in order to fund this fine."

From Penn State

Penn State expects to pay the fine out of football reserves, the deferring of capital and
maintenance expenditures and an internal Athletic Department loan.

http://progress.psu.edu/assets/content/ ... _FINAL.pdf

nafod wrote:

Pinky wrote:Nope. The NCAA's announcement clearly says, "No current sponsored athletic team may be reduced or eliminated in order to fund this fine."

From Penn State

Penn State expects to pay the fine out of football reserves, the deferring of capital and
maintenance expenditures and an internal Athletic Department loan.

http://progress.psu.edu/assets/content/ ... _FINAL.pdf

That is better for the rest of the university than the NCAA's announcement appeared to require, but that's still an internal loan to the athletic department from the rest of the university. They're still protecting student athletes at the expense of other students.

Pinky wrote:
That is better for the rest of the university than the NCAA's announcement appeared to require, but that's still an internal loan to the athletic department from the rest of the university. They're still protecting student athletes at the expense of other students.

PSU is a government institution. They're just following the general government accountability rules.

Pinky wrote:

nafod wrote:

Pinky wrote:Nope. The NCAA's announcement clearly says, "No current sponsored athletic team may be reduced or eliminated in order to fund this fine."

From Penn State

Penn State expects to pay the fine out of football reserves, the deferring of capital and
maintenance expenditures and an internal Athletic Department loan.

http://progress.psu.edu/assets/content/ ... _FINAL.pdf

That is better for the rest of the university than the NCAA's announcement appeared to require, but that's still an internal loan to the athletic department from the rest of the university. They're still protecting student athletes at the expense of other students.

We'll drill some gas wells on U property and frack our way to solvency

Fracking on campus is what got you into this mess in the first place.