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Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Ill buy the Obamacare shit but your focus on the Muslim Brotherhood,shit is a riot

My focus, actually, Shaf, is more on the steady decline of Western culture and the Islamification of the west in toto (not just the U.S.), rather than on just the Muslim Brotherhood. I singled-out the current regime as being too friendly with the MB as a sign of the in-roads they've made here (with the vanishing hope of someone spraying Round-Up on that particular growth of weeds). So maybe just saying "Don't like Obammy's Muslim Bro friends" is reductionist and comes across as ridiculous to you, but from what I've read and seen, there are legit reasons to worry about policy here at home as well as military activity abroad.

If all that was involved was their eating halal and bowing to Mecca, I wouldn't care. It's the politics, the power and the growing global influence of the Islamic world that make me concerned - and our nation's consistent-and-growingly deferential attitude isn't helping allay those fears. Not terribly happy with how Benghazi has been handled, too, obviously.

But again, what's a poor paranoid boy to do? I can't change anything.

Problems appear different when one lives near Lake Wobegon.

Voting for a guy that robs Peter to pay Paul, doesn't make it any less wrong if your name happens to Jack. Saying you "I don't get any handouts" doesn't mean anything. You're an accomplice.

But go on. You say you're for individual liberty and less government, but voted for the big government socialist.

Makes perfect sense.

Why not. Starshiptrooper is nothing more than a thesis on the concept of liberty and citizenship. You have to have a stake in society in order to a be real citizen.

I completely agree

Batboy2/75 wrote:You're an accomplice.

But go on. You say you're for individual liberty and less government, but voted for the big government socialist.

Hmmm...I don't recall saying anything of the kind. I was trying to point out that people that claim the Republican party is the last great hope for individual liberties are deliberately missing some obvious inconsistencies.

Were you this butt hurt in the 2008 elections? Honest question: what is different this time that has you thinking we're in the End Days?

tough old man wrote:Lets go all Starship Trooper. No military service = No Citizenship = No Vote.

Reread the book. It was not just Military service allthough Military service was the shortest route. (2 years with the Federation being able to stop loss you during a war)

If you did not want to or could not join the military there were other ways of service to the Federation. Working in Hospitals, schools, the Police forces, ect ect.

Hell I'd love that world because they would not have told me no combat arms because of your astma and your eye. They would have let me try and if I failed or died in Boot, no big deal as they always killed a few recruits in every class for the MI. That's how we should be. Any fucker who wants to fight for his country should be given a chance to at least go to Boot and try. If they let everyone vote they should let anyone tryout to serve. Sure you would have more drop outs and failures in Boot. SO what? Makes the guys who make it feel even more elite and special, like I bet all those who could not hack the Legion's basic made you feel?

The other cool thing about the society and goverment in the book was that Civillians had every right citizens did except franchise. And it discribes it as "The higest time for cival liberties and freedom of speech." but they were quick to execute convicted murderers and rapist, of which they had less of than we because they were so fucking quick to kill them and the attitude about possably killing an innocent person from time to time was "Better dead quick than rotting in prison."

That books critics are either A- Just skimmed the damn thing. B- Only know that shit bag movie, made by a socialist cunt who was actually making fun of it. C- Fucking shitbags.

It's required reading at West Point, at least it was at one time according to a Ring Knocker I know.

Well off the OP but we do that over squats and pistols around here.

We're getting back to basic American values, here, JonnyCat...that would be the freedom of religion. The problem being people, and religion itself.

The US has steadily gotten more and more batshit crazy about fundamentalism, which is simply a religion based on ignorance and moving on to a new church if you thing Pastor Mike's son Jake is gay.

So, if Muslim Americans were Americans first, and fuck the enemies of the country, I'd be fine with it, but it's not that way. Catholicism was kept in check, and Islam is as well, it's only backwoods, ditchwater christian sects that are not.

lasalle wrote:

Batboy2/75 wrote:You're an accomplice.

But go on. You say you're for individual liberty and less government, but voted for the big government socialist.

Hmmm...I don't recall saying anything of the kind. I was trying to point out that people that claim the Republican party is the last great hope for individual liberties are deliberately missing some obvious inconsistencies.

Were you this butt hurt in the 2008 elections? Honest question: what is different this time that has you thinking we're in the End Days?

I've been this butt hurt since 1984. If Ronald Reagan couldn't roll back the socialist welfare state, no one can.I give him a pass to some degree for having to deal with Soviets, but found his administration was far from revolutionary.

I describe myself as a Classical Liberal or better yet a pragmatic Libertarian.

I am not a Republican and when I voted in my first presidential election in 1988 I was an independent. Off and on I have registered as a independent or a libertarian and believe it or not a Democrat. My reason for registering as a democrat was to fuck with the democratic opperatives when the called me or knocked my door asking for money and or support.

I have never voted for a Democrat. As long as they support socialism, I never will. My votes for Republicans was nothing more than a protest vote. My way of hoping they would at least do the least amount of damage. From time to time I have refused to vote for the Republican presidential ticket; Bush Sr. In 1992 and Dole in 1996.

My entire life, I have witnessed socialism march on through our culture, institutions etc. Every 30 years or so, the Dems push through some large entitlement program, designed to further their socialist cause, enfeeble the American people, and ruin us financially. Nothing is never rolled back.

I have known since 1984 what the end game is. Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Welfare, Obamacare; are all unsustainable socialist boondoggles. We are bleeding red everywhere and the answers are the same tax and spend schemes coming out of Washington since before I was born. the debt is so massive, the spending is so out of control, and he sheaple are so enfeebled; the writing is on the wall. What can't go on, won't.

Goldwater was right in 1964, I was right in 1984, and I'm right today.

My solace will be watching Obama voters and the apathetic lose everything they hold dear; their jobs, their homes, their savings, their free stuff, everything. I may be in the same hole in the end, but I'll be prepared and know why I'm there.

Batboy2/75 wrote:The USA has got to be he most upwardly mobile society on earth. The advantages and opportunities are almost endless. Those that sit around an d bemoan their positions in life are lazy and or ignorant. Industriousness pays off in the USA.

This is not what the data says. The US has poor economic mobility compared to other countries. From Mobility Impaired (published in the National Review):

What is clear is that in at least one regard American mobility is exceptional: not in terms of downward mobility from the middle or from the top, and not in terms of upward mobility from the middle — rather, where we stand out is in our limited upward mobility from the bottom. And in particular, it’s American men who fare worse than their counterparts in other countries. . . .

Cross-national surveys show that Americans are more likely to believe they live in a meritocracy than are residents of other Western nations.

And that's from a conservative journal. If you look at more neutral publications the indictment is even worse. Good article in The Economist here. Part of it is terrible "educational mobility". Children's future educational success is tied more tightly to their parents' educational levels in the US than in any other country.

I think some of your fundamental premises about the state of American economics are wrong.

Kraj 2.0 wrote:Why do people on welfare get to vote? If you're not contributing shit then you should have no say. Personally, I think votes should be weighted by how many tax dollars you pay. Someone who's putting in $1-million in taxes should have more of a say in where the money goes than someone who's putting in $100.

Soooo . . . Paris Hilton should have more of a say in government than you? George Clooney, Anne Hathaway, Angelina Jolie, Brad Pitt, 50-Cent, Ice-T, Nikki Minaj too?

I'd Hit It wrote:I think some of your fundamental premises about the state of American economics are wrong.

Check out the stats on first generation immigrants. Paints a very different picture.

I'd Hit It wrote:

Kraj 2.0 wrote:Why do people on welfare get to vote? If you're not contributing shit then you should have no say. Personally, I think votes should be weighted by how many tax dollars you pay. Someone who's putting in $1-million in taxes should have more of a say in where the money goes than someone who's putting in $100.

Soooo . . . Paris Hilton should have more of a say in government than you? George Clooney, Anne Hathaway, Angelina Jolie, Brad Pitt, 50-Cent, Ice-T, Nikki Minaj too?

In a real shocker, he simply was trolling but that is actually how the country is in most areas. For voting, the above list have more influence, followed by voters in swing states, followed by everybody else.

If you really think that the above is a bad idea, then the country needs campaign finance reform and should replace the electoral college with a system that uses popular vote. Voter turnout (along with election fraud) would both skyrocket and hopefully a more engaged populace would push both parties to the middle.

Turdacious wrote:

I'd Hit It wrote:I think some of your fundamental premises about the state of American economics are wrong.

Check out the stats on first generation immigrants. Paints a very different picture.

No, second-generation immigrants' education and income are still pretty closely tied to their parents. That is just a report overview; Google is swarming with the same evidence.

When considering immigrant economic mobility one has to consider the background of who is doing the immigrating. Lumping together the mobility results of a Chinese engineer and a Hmong refugee completely ignores the significant influence prior economic and educational background have on future mobility, even if both start from zero.

Terry B. wrote:If you really think that the above is a bad idea, then the country needs campaign finance reform and should replace the electoral college with a system that uses popular vote. Voter turnout (along with election fraud) would both skyrocket and hopefully a more engaged populace would push both parties to the middle.

Ha, I wonder how many candidates would die from exhaustion trying to hit all the states.

Let me just laugh now as when the weakend West is engulfed from with in and with out in World War III it will be totally inappropriate.

You can run up deficits to a point when you are the strongest nation around militarily and you have something like the Soviet Union to contend with. Remember all but the most Liberal Democrat were in favour of much higher levels of defense spending than those who make up the majority of the party do today,by the comparison of what money was worth back then.

Whether you agreed with Iraq and Afghanistan and the larger and much more global war on terror, t stirred up alot of shit. Thinking that disengagement from Iraq and suppossedly in Afghanistan, weakness in lettling shitheads storm the walls of the embassy in Cairo and faithlessness to our own in Benghazi is going to make them less inclined to attack us and our people abroad is denilal.

The Russian Navy is back to sending attack subs to patrol the Worlds Oceans like they did durring the Soviet era, according to statments made by their goverment. Putin aint going fucking anywhere for the foreseeable future.

China has a new fighter in the F-35/F-22 mode. Gee fighters might still be important after all. They are making friends in our hemisphere. They own alot of our debt. And they might not be as rational in few years with all the internal issues they have and will have.

Iran is building a bomb. They are also making friends in our hemishere.

No chance of just maybe one of these issues have a damaging effect on us?

Naaaahhh! Nothing is going to happen.

Sometimes it does make a difference who the President is.

And the rich motherfucker who none the less has made a complete success out of just about everything he has done (Except of getting elected is better suited to those times.

Better suited at least than a smug little double talking, bitch subserviant prick who wrote 2 books that spell him out well, taught a bunch of anti Constitutional bullshit and used to threaten to pull the racist card on banks who would not give minorities home loans when their credit ratings and income did not qualify them, many that later went into forecloser.

He don't have to be from Kenya, an avowed communist and a proven cocksucker.

Just look at what he has done (and what little of it is good) and what a double talking outright lier he is.

Fuck it, 4 people dead in Benghazi, his White House knew what was happening. So right there if he did not know it's fucking neglagent at least and he most certianly knew about it when he hopped on Air Force 1 to hang with Beyonce and Jay-Z and pick up some cash.

He knew about it a couple days after when he mentioned the stupid litle Youtube clips and he knew about it when Susan Rice went around every morning talk show that Sunday and put it right on the video.

Now we hear that General Hamm was told to stand down whe he wanted to send assets in and said he could do so. He thought the situation dire and important enough to tell them he was going anyways. He was aprehended by his 2IC and releaved of command.

Why would a decorated, highly respected, combat tested seinor officer think it was worth it to disobey orders and knowingly risk his career?

Come the fuck on America!

At least a little more than half of you who voted providing there was not a large degree of fraud.

4 more years of a cunt in a man's chair.

Terry B. wrote:

I'd Hit It wrote:

Kraj 2.0 wrote:Why do people on welfare get to vote? If you're not contributing shit then you should have no say. Personally, I think votes should be weighted by how many tax dollars you pay. Someone who's putting in $1-million in taxes should have more of a say in where the money goes than someone who's putting in $100.

Soooo . . . Paris Hilton should have more of a say in government than you? George Clooney, Anne Hathaway, Angelina Jolie, Brad Pitt, 50-Cent, Ice-T, Nikki Minaj too?

In a real shocker, he simply was trolling but that is actually how the country is in most areas. For voting, the above list have more influence, followed by voters in swing states, followed by everybody else.

If you really think that the above is a bad idea, then the country needs campaign finance reform and should replace the electoral college with a system that uses popular vote. Voter turnout (along with election fraud) would both skyrocket and hopefully a more engaged populace would push both parties to the middle.

The middle still puts you over the cliff and still amkes you half a pussy.

We need less people to vote, not more.

The rise in people who have not even read the fucking Constitution, have low IQ's and get their news from one "serious" and one comedic source and what a bunch of people like them spout has fucked us just as much as the "Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie Federal goverment!" shit.

At least a a test on the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and Bill of Rights should be required. We make people who legaly come here and become citizens do it.

I'd Hit It wrote:

Turdacious wrote:

I'd Hit It wrote:I think some of your fundamental premises about the state of American economics are wrong.

Check out the stats on first generation immigrants. Paints a very different picture.

No, second-generation immigrants' education and income are still pretty closely tied to their parents. That is just a report overview; Google is swarming with the same evidence.

When considering immigrant economic mobility one has to consider the background of who is doing the immigrating. Lumping together the mobility results of a Chinese engineer and a Hmong refugee completely ignores the significant influence prior economic and educational background have on future mobility, even if both start from zero.

That report doesn't address economic mobility of the first generation immigrants compared to citizens in similar economic situations. Compare African-American economic mobility to the economic mobility of black immigrants.

The soft bigotry of low expectations is something you should oppose.

I didn't vote Obama but big LOL if you honestly think shit would be much different with Romney. Repubs need to get over the big religious shtick, anyway.

DARTH wrote:Let me just laugh now as when the weakend West is engulfed from with in and with out in World War III it will be totally inappropriate.

You can run up deficits to a point when you are the strongest nation around militarily and you have something like the Soviet Union to contend with. Remember all but the most Liberal Democrat were in favour of much higher levels of defense spending than those who make up the majority of the party do today,by the comparison of what money was worth back then.

Whether you agreed with Iraq and Afghanistan and the larger and much more global war on terror, t stirred up alot of shit. Thinking that disengagement from Iraq and suppossedly in Afghanistan, weakness in lettling shitheads storm the walls of the embassy in Cairo and faithlessness to our own in Benghazi is going to make them less inclined to attack us and our people abroad is denilal.

The Russian Navy is back to sending attack subs to patrol the Worlds Oceans like they did durring the Soviet era, according to statments made by their goverment. Putin aint going fucking anywhere for the foreseeable future.

China has a new fighter in the F-35/F-22 mode. Gee fighters might still be important after all. They are making friends in our hemisphere. They own alot of our debt. And they might not be as rational in few years with all the internal issues they have and will have.

Iran is building a bomb. They are also making friends in our hemishere.

No chance of just maybe one of these issues have a damaging effect on us?

Naaaahhh! Nothing is going to happen.

Sometimes it does make a difference who the President is.

And the rich motherfucker who none the less has made a complete success out of just about everything he has done (Except of getting elected is better suited to those times.

Better suited at least than a smug little double talking, bitch subserviant prick who wrote 2 books that spell him out well, taught a bunch of anti Constitutional bullshit and used to threaten to pull the racist card on banks who would not give minorities home loans when their credit ratings and income did not qualify them, many that later went into forecloser.

He don't have to be from Kenya, an avowed communist and a proven cocksucker.

Just look at what he has done (and what little of it is good) and what a double talking outright lier he is.

Fuck it, 4 people dead in Benghazi, his White House knew what was happening. So right there if he did not know it's fucking neglagent at least and he most certianly knew about it when he hopped on Air Force 1 to hang with Beyonce and Jay-Z and pick up some cash.

He knew about it a couple days after when he mentioned the stupid litle Youtube clips and he knew about it when Susan Rice went around every morning talk show that Sunday and put it right on the video.

Now we hear that General Hamm was told to stand down whe he wanted to send assets in and said he could do so. He thought the situation dire and important enough to tell them he was going anyways. He was aprehended by his 2IC and releaved of command.

Why would a decorated, highly respected, combat tested seinor officer think it was worth it to disobey orders and knowingly risk his career?

Come the fuck on America!

At least a little more than half of you who voted providing there was not a large degree of fraud.

4 more years of a cunt in a man's chair.

You get 20% of the GDP on military spending. We spend more on the military than Russia and China combined. We spend more on the military than all of our first world allies combined.

What isn't getting done that you want to see done? Dropping bombs on Iran? You want to open up a third front?

Read much Roman history?

lasalle wrote: I simply made the best election choice of two bad choices: Obama.

LOL at people who say shit like this when its obvious they vote Democrat(or Republican) every single time

I'd Hit It wrote:

Kraj 2.0 wrote:Why do people on welfare get to vote? If you're not contributing shit then you should have no say. Personally, I think votes should be weighted by how many tax dollars you pay. Someone who's putting in $1-million in taxes should have more of a say in where the money goes than someone who's putting in $100.

Soooo . . . Paris Hilton should have more of a say in government than you? George Clooney, Anne Hathaway, Angelina Jolie, Brad Pitt, 50-Cent, Ice-T, Nikki Minaj too?

Assuming they pay considerably more in taxes than I do, I don't see why not. I haven't given the idea much thought but what I'm really getting at is that a citizen's influence in political decisions should correlate with their investment in the government. Someone who's on welfare and mooching off the state should have no say in the policies of the state. It's a conflict of interest. Personally, I feel welfare should be abolished altogether. Helping the poor should be left to private charities and the good will of individual citizens, not as a function of an already overburdened state. Let's be realistic about what government welfare really is. It's using the middle class' hard-earned money to appease the poor so that the rich can continue to live in safety and rob us blind.

Shit would have turned out different if we never gave women and niggers the right to vote

Turdacious wrote:That report doesn't address economic mobility of the first generation immigrants compared to citizens in similar economic situations. Compare African-American economic mobility to the economic mobility of black immigrants.

The soft bigotry of low expectations is something you should oppose.

You can't simply consider current economic situations though. You need to compare immigrants of similar economic and socio-educational backgrounds. A penniless immigrant who was an engineer, teacher, small business owner, etc in their home country is going to do better than a penniless eight-grade dropout. Even with the cultural disparity. The education offered to some kids coming out of poorer schools is atrocious. High school graduates exit barely literate. Even if an educated immigrant comes over not knowing any English they can at least read in their own language.

Kraj 2.0 wrote:Assuming they pay considerably more in taxes than I do, I don't see why not. I haven't given the idea much thought but what I'm really getting at is that a citizen's influence in political decisions should correlate with their investment in the government.

They certainly pay more in taxes unless you're pulling in tens of millions a year, even if they take in lower tax rates Romney-style. Income = government investment is an obvious troll. I suppose Donald Trump is a better investor in our government then members of the military? Predicate voting on basic knowledge of the government. Before voting everyone should take an abbreviated form of the citizenship test immigrants undergoing naturalization must take. Add in questions about basic political theory too. If you call somebody a "Nazi communist" you should be laughed out of the booth. It is a bit like asking hardcore Christians about the Bible: you'd be surprised about the number of fundamentalists who spout what they think it says rather than reading it for themselves.

Perhaps even include fact-checking questions to test whether the voter has invested any time into considering their chosen candidate. "Does Mitt Romney kill people?" "Was Obama born in the United States?" This would take out the morons on all sides quite nicely while preserving those who genuinely give a shit as opposed to regurgitating whatever their favorite talking head says.

I'd Hit It wrote:

Batboy2/75 wrote:The USA has got to be he most upwardly mobile society on earth. The advantages and opportunities are almost endless. Those that sit around an d bemoan their positions in life are lazy and or ignorant. Industriousness pays off in the USA.

This is not what the data says. The US has poor economic mobility compared to other countries. From Mobility Impaired (published in the National Review):

What is clear is that in at least one regard American mobility is exceptional: not in terms of downward mobility from the middle or from the top, and not in terms of upward mobility from the middle — rather, where we stand out is in our limited upward mobility from the bottom. And in particular, it’s American men who fare worse than their counterparts in other countries. . . .

Cross-national surveys show that Americans are more likely to believe they live in a meritocracy than are residents of other Western nations.

And that's from a conservative journal. If you look at more neutral publications the indictment is even worse. Good article in The Economist here. Part of it is terrible "educational mobility". Children's future educational success is tied more tightly to their parents' educational levels in the US than in any other country.

I think some of your fundamental premises about the state of American economics are wrong.

Kraj 2.0 wrote:Why do people on welfare get to vote? If you're not contributing shit then you should have no say. Personally, I think votes should be weighted by how many tax dollars you pay. Someone who's putting in $1-million in taxes should have more of a say in where the money goes than someone who's putting in $100.

Soooo . . . Paris Hilton should have more of a say in government than you? George Clooney, Anne Hathaway, Angelina Jolie, Brad Pitt, 50-Cent, Ice-T, Nikki Minaj too?

Ahhh the clueless quoting the clueless. National Review is nothing more than a cheerleader for Republican Party and shadow of the great political magazine it used to be.

Again, you fail to realize that shiftless negros and third world metizo indian peasants would rather wallow in their cultural ignorance than take advantage of the opportunities showered on them. We are at he bottom of every list of "whatever" in the developed world because 20%+ of the US population are mouth breathing idiots. If you're poor in the USA, it's a result of your culture that does value hard work or education.

DARTH wrote:

Terry B. wrote:

I'd Hit It wrote:

Kraj 2.0 wrote:Why do people on welfare get to vote? If you're not contributing shit then you should have no say. Personally, I think votes should be weighted by how many tax dollars you pay. Someone who's putting in $1-million in taxes should have more of a say in where the money goes than someone who's putting in $100.

Soooo . . . Paris Hilton should have more of a say in government than you? George Clooney, Anne Hathaway, Angelina Jolie, Brad Pitt, 50-Cent, Ice-T, Nikki Minaj too?

In a real shocker, he simply was trolling but that is actually how the country is in most areas. For voting, the above list have more influence, followed by voters in swing states, followed by everybody else.

If you really think that the above is a bad idea, then the country needs campaign finance reform and should replace the electoral college with a system that uses popular vote. Voter turnout (along with election fraud) would both skyrocket and hopefully a more engaged populace would push both parties to the middle.

The middle still puts you over the cliff and still amkes you half a pussy.

We need less people to vote, not more.

The rise in people who have not even read the fucking Constitution, have low IQ's and get their news from one "serious" and one comedic source and what a bunch of people like them spout has fucked us just as much as the "Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie Federal goverment!" shit.

At least a a test on the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and Bill of Rights should be required. We make people who legaly come here and become citizens do it.

Citizenship classes in school already have those.

The crazy whack jobs from both sides come out and vote already.

The US doesn't have nearly as insane a populace as our politics would have us believe. If you needed to fight for every vote and every person was really turning out voting, it would push candidates away from the fringes. In the last election, for example, Romney's hopes were pinned on Bible thumpers believing he was Christian enough while Obama's was on making sure enough blacks turned out. Issues that cater to either of these groups aren't what most of us would find important.

Batboy2/75 wrote: I have never voted for a Democrat. As long as they support socialism, I never will.

I also consider myself a "Classical Liberal."

I voted for a dem for the first time in 20 years plus. I thought Amy Klobuchar was an ultra left nut case when she first ran for office and she's almost that bad. However, she does two things that impress the hell out of me and pisses off her own party at times:

1. she will get pit bull fight nasty to help any combat veteran from Minnesota
2. she will have her office pester, badger and make a living hell of the lives of government administrators who fuck with H1B visa holders.

http://klobuchar.senate.gov/

I'm glad she won in a landslide.