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You act like the kids you're teaching give a shit about this stuff. Just give them the usual spiel about how the whole world is against them but it's cool cuz "G-d" chose them as his favorite and hates the rest of his creation as much as they do.

I saw your post Gorby, and thought this:



Decaf would be good.

Elevating the level of debate is fuckin' A OK with me.

Turdacious wrote:I saw your post Gorby, and thought this:



Decaf would be good.

What, precisely, is the issue with what I wrote? I don't like that society - particularly in the US - elevates religion to sacred cow status (pun intended). An atheist could not become President, for example. This makes me what....an angry loon? Calm your own reactions and use your words.

Gorbachev wrote:

Turdacious wrote:I saw your post Gorby, and thought this:



Decaf would be good.

What, precisely, is the issue with what I wrote? I don't like that society - particularly in the US - elevates religion to sacred cow status (pun intended). An atheist could not become President, for example. This makes me what....an angry loon? Calm your own reactions and use your words.

Do you mean to imply that the US is the primary example of loony religious fanaticism? Or do you just take issue with US in particular?

Gorbachev wrote: What, precisely, is the issue with what I wrote? I don't like that society - particularly in the US - elevates religion to sacred cow status (pun intended). An atheist could not become President, for example. This makes me what....an angry loon? Calm your own reactions and use your words.

For a 'fair minded person' you engage in a lot of histrionics and oversimplification.

Turdacious wrote:

Gorbachev wrote: What, precisely, is the issue with what I wrote? I don't like that society - particularly in the US - elevates religion to sacred cow status (pun intended). An atheist could not become President, for example. This makes me what....an angry loon? Calm your own reactions and use your words.

For a 'fair minded person' you engage in a lot of histrionics and oversimplification.

You are either unwilling or unable to engage with the views I presented. Shouting me down or denigrating me, whilst ignoring what I am saying, is poor, from someone who has been hanging out on the interwebz enough to make so many posts on this site alone.

ecalpal wrote:

Gorbachev wrote:

Turdacious wrote:I saw your post Gorby, and thought this:



Decaf would be good.

What, precisely, is the issue with what I wrote? I don't like that society - particularly in the US - elevates religion to sacred cow status (pun intended). An atheist could not become President, for example. This makes me what....an angry loon? Calm your own reactions and use your words.

Do you mean to imply that the US is the primary example of loony religious fanaticism? Or do you just take issue with US in particular?

The US is not the primary example of loony religious fanaticism if you wish to compare it to Iran. But compared to anywhere in Europe, Australia, New Zealand, developed countries in South America.....it is WAY out there. Most developed, western democracies are far less bound up with notions of religiosity in the public realm. People of all faiths and none can participate in public life and run for high office. Only in the US is the loony Christian born-again, Baptist, Rapture, Hallelujah bullshit mandatory for high public office. Only the US persists with mentioning God in every single fucking speech going. God bless this, God chose that, God is on our side the other. The rest of the developed world looks on in wonderment.

Gorbachev wrote:

Turdacious wrote:

Gorbachev wrote: What, precisely, is the issue with what I wrote? I don't like that society - particularly in the US - elevates religion to sacred cow status (pun intended). An atheist could not become President, for example. This makes me what....an angry loon? Calm your own reactions and use your words.

For a 'fair minded person' you engage in a lot of histrionics and oversimplification.

You are either unwilling or unable to engage with the views I presented. Shouting me down or denigrating me, whilst ignoring what I am saying, is poor, from someone who has been hanging out on the interwebz enough to make so many posts on this site alone.

For someone who hates the role of religion so much you're spending a lot of time up on the cross.

Gorbachev wrote:

ecalpal wrote:

Gorbachev wrote:

Turdacious wrote:I saw your post Gorby, and thought this:



Decaf would be good.

What, precisely, is the issue with what I wrote? I don't like that society - particularly in the US - elevates religion to sacred cow status (pun intended). An atheist could not become President, for example. This makes me what....an angry loon? Calm your own reactions and use your words.

Do you mean to imply that the US is the primary example of loony religious fanaticism? Or do you just take issue with US in particular?

The US is not the primary example of loony religious fanaticism if you wish to compare it to Iran. But compared to anywhere in Europe, Australia, New Zealand, developed countries in South America.....it is WAY out there. Most developed, western democracies are far less bound up with notions of religiosity in the public realm. People of all faiths and none can participate in public life and run for high office. Only in the US is the loony Christian born-again, Baptist, Rapture, Hallelujah bullshit mandatory for high public office. Only the US persists with mentioning God in every single fucking speech going. God bless this, God chose that, God is on our side the other. The rest of the developed world looks on in wonderment.

And envy

LMFAO...thanks to all of you for hijack shitting on this thread.

Kazuya Mishima wrote:LMFAO...thanks to all of you for hijack shitting on this thread.

A thread is like a gentle dove that you set free to find its own way in the world. Sometimes they turn into crack whores.

HH, why does it have to be monotheism, and not just theism?

Back in 1955 I was a freshman in college after serving in the Navy during the Korean war....er police action. I had to take a course that dealt with all those fancy words and the instructor's definitions thereof. I got an A in the course simply by parroting the instructor's words.

Andy79 wrote:Back in 1955 I was a freshman in college after serving in the Navy during the Korean war....er police action. I had to take a course that dealt with all those fancy words and the instructor's definitions thereof. I got an A in the course simply by parroting the instructor's words.

Did you by chance come across a 5 dollar bill after this?

ecalpal wrote:

Andy79 wrote:Back in 1955 I was a freshman in college after serving in the Navy during the Korean war....er police action. I had to take a course that dealt with all those fancy words and the instructor's definitions thereof. I got an A in the course simply by parroting the instructor's words.

Did you by chance come across a 5 dollar bill after this?

Not then but I see plenty of them now taking the place of 1 dollar bills. Even the 10s are practically worthless now.

Andy79 wrote:

ecalpal wrote:

Andy79 wrote:Back in 1955 I was a freshman in college after serving in the Navy during the Korean war....er police action. I had to take a course that dealt with all those fancy words and the instructor's definitions thereof. I got an A in the course simply by parroting the instructor's words.

Did you by chance come across a 5 dollar bill after this?

Not then but I see plenty of them now taking the place of 1 dollar bills. Even the 10s are practically worthless now.

Yeah, those 10s are only worth what, 10 bucks these days?

ecalpal wrote:

Andy79 wrote:

ecalpal wrote:

Andy79 wrote:Back in 1955 I was a freshman in college after serving in the Navy during the Korean war....er police action. I had to take a course that dealt with all those fancy words and the instructor's definitions thereof. I got an A in the course simply by parroting the instructor's words.

Did you by chance come across a 5 dollar bill after this?

Not then but I see plenty of them now taking the place of 1 dollar bills. Even the 10s are practically worthless now.

Yeah, those 10s are only worth what, 10 bucks these days?

Like 5000 of them annually to put food on the table. That is until next year when you'll need 10,000 of them.

Gorbachev wrote:An atheist could not become President, for example.

Yeah it's totally nuts how Americans wouldn't vote for someone who didn't resemble their values on a fundamental level.

If only we voted against our values, everything would be A-OK.

Gorbachev wrote:But compared to anywhere in Europe, Australia, New Zealand, developed countries in South America.....it is WAY out there. Most developed, western democracies are far less bound up with notions of religiosity in the public realm. People of all faiths and none can participate in public life and run for high office. Only in the US is the loony Christian born-again, Baptist, Rapture, Hallelujah bullshit mandatory for high public office.

That's because Europeans never really understood the meaning of religious tolerance. Do they still ban wearing crosses on your necklaces or wearing hijabs in public because ...wait what's the reason?

It's cool though. If it weren't for your religious intolerance we wouldn't have had our Puritan forefathers. After we fixed all
their no-fun policies and get rid of their blue laws, their biggest contribution was the Puritan work ethic.

And why that's okay:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/08/weeki ... actor.html

kreator wrote:

Gorbachev wrote:An atheist could not become President, for example.

Yeah it's totally nuts how Americans wouldn't vote for someone who didn't resemble their values on a fundamental level.

If only we voted against our values, everything would be A-OK.

K,

He's right. Even if some miraculous atheist politician who really cared about the average American, and could solve all your probs came along, he'd never get in. If you think otherwise you are just being naive. All politicians know how many votes siding with the church will get them.

Gav wrote:

kreator wrote:

Gorbachev wrote:An atheist could not become President, for example.

Yeah it's totally nuts how Americans wouldn't vote for someone who didn't resemble their values on a fundamental level.

If only we voted against our values, everything would be A-OK.

K,

He's right. Even if some miraculous atheist politician who really cared about the average American, and could solve all your probs came along, he'd never get in. If you think otherwise you are just being naive. All politicians know how many votes siding with the church will get them.

Not too long ago you could have said the same thing about black men.
Can you name someone in recent times who had experience and was moderate enough to be elected on a national level, and didn't get in primarily because they were atheist?

There are some non-trivial names on this list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_at ... ted_States

kreator wrote:Can you name someone in recent times who had experience and was moderate enough to be elected on a national level, and didn't get in primarily because they were atheist?

Loaded question.

Gav wrote:

kreator wrote:

Gorbachev wrote:An atheist could not become President, for example.

Yeah it's totally nuts how Americans wouldn't vote for someone who didn't resemble their values on a fundamental level.

If only we voted against our values, everything would be A-OK.

K,

He's right. Even if some miraculous atheist politician who really cared about the average American, and could solve all your probs came along, he'd never get in. If you think otherwise you are just being naive. All politicians know how many votes siding with the church will get them.

Only its gotten a bit out of hand. GWB deciding to make banning gay marriage an election issue was probably the beginning of this polarization that has us all but completely quagmired. Its hard to get people to agree on things when they think their political opinions are ordained by God.

Gorbachev wrote: Are you for real? Do you know how pompous and dismissive that statement is?

This would be funny. But even modern societies still seek to put "religious faith" on a pedestal. We're supposed to ignore the derision (express and implied) and the ridiculous state of the 3,000 year old "faiths" because they are essentially matters of private rights and conscience and are so above challenge. To put this in less neutral terms, indoctrination of children into viral mind-control bullshit is above reproach as it's "a matter of faith".?

I understand you're angry at religion, and you'd prefer that others were enlightened enough to join your views. OK, another angry guy blaming mind-control as the reason others don't agree with him. No big deal. But you also seem to be using society as a synonym for government. Are you saying your against the civil liberty of freedom of expression of religion. That's authoritarian and ugly.

Gorbachev wrote:More interesting than this tired old bullshit is this. I don't know why you bother to come to a website that seems to be half porn and half racism, talking about indoctrinating children into the Jewish faith, in terms which are insulting to those who are not religious. Seriously. I am a fair-minded person. What exactly are you doing? Trolling? Crusading? You're a bit of a case, aren't you? I stand up to bullshit on here all the time. I even did so on your behalf quite recently and I don't know if you even noticed or cared. But what do you actually think you're doing? Or achieving?

The site is a great place to make any argument. Because of the culture, challenges come swift and bare knuckles, and force me to think through views and arguments. I get a few laughs too.

Going further, I'm a trial lawyer (barrister) and would put up here themes and arguments I plan to make in cases, but I don't because of confidentiality reasons. I have no doubt, though, that arguing views of a case here would sharpen my skills and arguments.

While a few on the site express ugly racism and Jew hate, it's only a few. Probably the percentage is reflective of society, but folks who hold those views can't express them publicly so this is one of the few places you come across the views that's not a nut site like Stormtroopers.com. It keeps me in touch with the real world.

I did notice you stood up for me, and appreciate it.

Chill out, and join the discussion.

Kraj 2.0 wrote:You act like the kids you're teaching give a shit about this stuff. Just give them the usual spiel about how the whole world is against them but it's cool cuz "G-d" chose them as his favorite and hates the rest of his creation as much as they do.

The notion of choseness is part of God's love for the entire world. But that takes us too far from the topic.