Georgia State Uni White Student Union

Dunn · Post by **Dunn** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:33 pm

White student starts "White Student Union".

Fall semester won’t start for several weeks, but Georgia State University has already received a handful of complaints about a new student club — the White Student Union.

Freshman Patrick Sharp said he started the club so that students of European and Euro-American descent can celebrate their shared history and culture and discuss issues that affect white people, such as immigration and affirmative action.
The club is not an official student group recognized by the university. Sharp said any student can join and that he would work with other clubs, such as the Black Student Alliance, on common issues.

Georgia State is highly diverse, with whites comprising 38 percent of the student body, followed by blacks at 35 percent, Asians at 12 percent and Latinos at 7 percent.

“If we are already minorities on campus and are soon to be minorities in this country why wouldn’t we have the right to advocate for ourselves and have a club just like every other minority?” said Sharp, 18. “Why is it when a white person says he is proud to be white he’s shunned as a racist?”
Sharp, who is from Birmingham, Ala., enrolled this summer. Six students complained to the university after seeing his fliers around campus, said Doug Covey, vice president for student affairs. Covey said he responded to each by explaining he group is within its right to exist and that speech is protected even if offensive to someone.

Covey said Georgia State prides itself on diversity. “Many students choose to come to Georgia State over other colleges because of our diversity. We are proud to have a richly diverse environment that looks like the world in which our students will live and work and lead.”

Georgia State has more than 300 university recognized student clubs. These groups can reserve meeting space on campus and are eligible for financial support from activities fees.
Even without official status, the White Student Union can meet in common areas on the downtown Atlanta campus, Covey said.
Sharp said he doubts he will seek official status. The group would need a faculty or staff advisor and Sharp doubts he’d find one. He said a handful of students have joined so far.
He said he expects critics to call him and the group racist.
“I’ve already heard some of that and I don’t care what they have to say,” Sharp said.
Sharp said he was inspired to start the union after viewing videos and interviews with Matthew Heimbach, who started a White Student Union at Towson University in Maryland.

The Southern Poverty Law Center has designated the Maryland club as a “hate group” and two of its members recently advocated for racial segregation at a Conservative Political Action Conference.

Sharp said that doesn’t concern him.

“All we want to do is celebrate white identity,” he said. “This is about being in touch with who you are as a white person and being proud of that.”

Kazuya Mishima · Post by **Kazuya Mishima** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:40 pm

The white people that form these kinds of things are always the white people that I don't want to be around.

Shafpocalypse Now · Post by **Shafpocalypse Now** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:46 pm

When I worked a corporate job, we had

GLAD = gay and lesbian association at D__
BED - black employees of D__
LHAD - latino and hispanic alliance at D__
ISN - Indian support network
AAD -Asians at D__
WDN - womans diversity network

I jokingly suggestion WAD and MAD...Whites at D, and Men at D in a meeting

I was promptly reported to HR for sexism and racism.

I found uproariously funny and ended up arguing with my HR guy that being reported for suggesting these networks was racist and sexist, me actually suggesting them was upholding the diversity principles of the company. It was only after I suggested I would find a lawyer to file a discrimination and harrassment lawsuit was the matter dropped.

Shafpocalypse Now · Post by **Shafpocalypse Now** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:47 pm

My wife was not amused. If I was not married, I might have carried it further.

Dunn · Post by **Dunn** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:22 pm

Kazuya Mishima wrote:The white people that form these kinds of things are always the white people that I don't want to be around.

Agreed. But I have to say that they make a sound point. If there can be black or asian student associations then why can't there be a white one? It is a double standard and it should not be allowed.

Herv100 · Post by **Herv100** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:24 pm

Sounds like this kid is a terrorist

TerryB · Post by **TerryB** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:25 pm

Oh, one of these guys again?

baffled · Post by **baffled** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:10 pm

Dunn wrote:
Kazuya Mishima wrote:The white people that form these kinds of things are always the white people that I don't want to be around.
Agreed. But I have to say that they make a sound point. If there can be black or asian student associations then why can't there be a white one? It is a double standard and it should not be allowed.

Listen here, peon. This sort of reverse racism won't be allowed in this here beacon of inclusion, tolerance and overall equality.

Now go away with your white maleness and think about what you've said. Then ask your wife if she minds whether you spend $10 on a six pack or if you're still restricted to white wine.

/derp

Grandpa's Spells · Post by **Grandpa's Spells** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:51 pm

Dunn wrote:
Kazuya Mishima wrote:The white people that form these kinds of things are always the white people that I don't want to be around.
Agreed. But I have to say that they make a sound point. If there can be black or asian student associations then why can't there be a white one? It is a double standard and it should not be allowed.

There are historical reasons why black and other minority groups have such organizations, and historical reasons why white's shouldn't have them and/or don't need them. The white folks who (seriously) want such organizations tend to be idiots.

Kazuya Mishima · Post by **Kazuya Mishima** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:57 pm

I don't hang my hat on "being white" precisely because blacks, browns, yellows, reds, olives, and the assorted other mud folk spend so much of their time propping up their fragile egos and lack of individual accomplishment with aggregate social identity. Cowards run in packs, and underachieving carriers of chronic victim culture love the sweet, soothing salve of identifying with others who share some inconsequential trait like skin color or national origin. You'll never find a happy median of healthy social identity within these types of groups. Simmering beneath the surface (and often in plain sight) is either end of a short spectrum...those who feel the need to prove how awesome they are (white power, black power, Eurotrash nationalism, etc), or those who are too scared and weak to make it on their own and need to be a part of the squawking blame/pity party (NAACP, Jewish Defense League, Black Congressional Caucus, whatever).

Let them wallow in their false pride and collective misery. I urge the white man (or any man, for that matter) to take no part in it.

Kazuya Mishima · Post by **Kazuya Mishima** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:07 pm

Grandpa's Spells wrote:
Dunn wrote:
Kazuya Mishima wrote:The white people that form these kinds of things are always the white people that I don't want to be around.
Agreed. But I have to say that they make a sound point. If there can be black or asian student associations then why can't there be a white one? It is a double standard and it should not be allowed.
There are historical reasons why black and other minority groups have such organizations, and historical reasons why white's shouldn't have them and/or don't need them. The white folks who (seriously) want such organizations tend to be idiots.

You and your goddamned crybaby assed nigger apologetics. The point is that whites should be afforded the same freedom to express themselves along racial lines if they so choose. Stop defining the entire human experience by the last 300 years of North American history. Besides, I never held a gun and a pistol and made some buck pull cotton for free. I swear to fucking god...motherfuckers act like we just let Skillet and Bessie loose from the watermelon patch last week, and all the white folk smoothly transitioned from our former jobs as whip crackers to making millions on Wall Street.

Dunn · Post by **Dunn** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:37 pm

Grandpa's Spells wrote:
Dunn wrote:
Kazuya Mishima wrote:The white people that form these kinds of things are always the white people that I don't want to be around.
Agreed. But I have to say that they make a sound point. If there can be black or asian student associations then why can't there be a white one? It is a double standard and it should not be allowed.
There are historical reasons why black and other minority groups have such organizations, and historical reasons why white's shouldn't have them and/or don't need them.

Bullshit. Damn near every race and creed has oppressed and been oppressed sometime in the last 1000 years. While I agree with Kaz in that I feel no need to join an organization like that, there should be no hindrances to their ability to have such a group. It is complete and utter bullshit to say that it is ok for blacks or Asians to have said orgs but say that it is racist for whites to have them.

Freki · Post by **Freki** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:43 pm

As a proud alumnus of GSU, he's got balls doing that on that campus given it's demographics and that it's really a pretty small campus, not to mention where it's at in downtown Atlanta.

tough old man · Post by **tough old man** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:50 pm

We'll always have these guys
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... 5853,d.b2I

Grandpa's Spells · Post by **Grandpa's Spells** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:50 pm

Kazuya Mishima wrote:The point is that whites should be afforded the same freedom to express themselves along racial lines if they so choose.

No one is saying they can't. They're just saying whites who choose to express this particular freedom are assholes.

Here's what America is like today, not 300 years ago:
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-575685.html
White names got about one callback per 10 resumes; black names got one per 15. Carries and Kristens had call-back rates of more than 13 percent, but Aisha, Keisha and Tamika got 2.2 percent, 3.8 percent and 5.4 percent, respectively. And having a higher quality resume, featuring more skills and experience, made a white-sounding name 30 percent more likely to elicit a callback, but only 9 percent more likely for black-sounding names.

Gays can get fired just for being gay. Immigrants get paid less than native-born whites. Women make less in the same job roles as men.

If these groups want to form networks to support each other as students or professionals, that's completely fine. I prefer it to their instead going to the government to seek remediation. People picking themselves up by their own bootstraps is exactly the sort of thing most people would hope for. They're not doing it for "(insert minority here) pride."

White males do not have these problems. So when they do what the dingleberry in that article does, start talking about "white pride," and pretending to play dumb about the advantages of being a straight white dude over being a gay black woman, it puts a big ass "I don't get how the world works" sign over their heads and embarrasses the rest of the white people.

Shafpocalypse Now · Post by **Shafpocalypse Now** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:03 pm

So what?

Profiling is really just how the fucking brain works.

I'll give you the fact that 99.9% of white pride organizations are not white people I want to know, and are generally dumber than average.

Holeyfraggaroley · Post by **Holeyfraggaroley** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:04 pm

Really I don't give a shit. Lets look at the little dude. He has a nice Arian haircut and the brown/green army t shirt is a nice touch. From Alabama and is going to school in GA. He may not be a Klansman Jr, but fuck, he is not helping himself. When other people are fucking up doing the same thing? That is not his concern. If he had a fuckin brain he would at least address the issue of the fuckups. Maybe the dumbass should call it the Euro-American Appreciation Club.

nafod · Post by **nafod** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:14 pm

Grandpa's Spells wrote:If these groups want to form networks to support each other as students or professionals, that's completely fine.

I disagree exactly 1 million percent. They can form groups, but Universities should not be sanctioning organizations that are based on race. Period.

Obviously, I'm an outlier on this here at the University. But every year I take the kids and we go and watch the Homecoming parade, and ALWAYS the least diverse organizations we see in the parade are the "diversity" organizations, Asians, Afro-Ams, etc.

In fact, I think that now that we have a black President, we probably don't need a separate African-American Homecoming King & Queen. But that's me.

Kazuya Mishima · Post by **Kazuya Mishima** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:15 pm

His skinny ass needs to go on a clean bulking phase so that he can pull some quality trim at the club and fuck away all that angst and self doubt, but I sense that he doesn't have it in him and will just while away his time prezzing over his white boy clubhouse and crossing the street when he sees blacks coming down the sidewalk.

Grandpa's Spells · Post by **Grandpa's Spells** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:21 pm

nafod wrote:
Grandpa's Spells wrote:If these groups want to form networks to support each other as students or professionals, that's completely fine.
I disagree exactly 1 million percent. They can form groups, but Universities should not be sanctioning organizations that are based on race. Period.

Why?

Pinky · Post by **Pinky** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:58 pm

I mostly agree with Spells. White men don't really need such groups.

But this is wrong:

Grandpa's Spells wrote:Women make less in the same job roles as men.

When you compare men and women in the same job and firm, the gender pay gap basically disappears. There might still be discrimination against women getting into those jobs, but there's more evidence suggesting that the jobs women end up with are driven by their own preferences than there is evidence of labor market discrimination.

Of course, it's not hard to find women's groups who will make the exact claim that Spells made, and that illustrates a danger of groups based on race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. (Btw, the little evidence I've seen on gay/straight pay differences finds that gay women earn more than straight women, but this does not suggest discrimination against straight women.) The groups are great if they help develop social networks, support education, etc. But they can also become an echo chamber for uninformed bullshit.

DrDonkeyLove · Post by **DrDonkeyLove** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:04 am

Grandpa's Spells wrote:
Kazuya Mishima wrote:The point is that whites should be afforded the same freedom to express themselves along racial lines if they so choose.
No one is saying they can't. They're just saying whites who choose to express this particular freedom are assholes.

Here's what America is like today, not 300 years ago:
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-575685.html
White names got about one callback per 10 resumes; black names got one per 15. Carries and Kristens had call-back rates of more than 13 percent, but Aisha, Keisha and Tamika got 2.2 percent, 3.8 percent and 5.4 percent, respectively. And having a higher quality resume, featuring more skills and experience, made a white-sounding name 30 percent more likely to elicit a callback, but only 9 percent more likely for black-sounding names.

Gays can get fired just for being gay. Immigrants get paid less than native-born whites. Women make less in the same job roles as men.

If these groups want to form networks to support each other as students or professionals, that's completely fine. I prefer it to their instead going to the government to seek remediation. People picking themselves up by their own bootstraps is exactly the sort of thing most people would hope for. They're not doing it for "(insert minority here) pride."

White males do not have these problems. So when they do what the dingleberry in that article does, start talking about "white pride," and pretending to play dumb about the advantages of being a straight white dude over being a gay black woman, it puts a big ass "I don't get how the world works" sign over their heads and embarrasses the rest of the white people.

He's not starting a national group righting the wrongs of society, he's starting a group at GS where his "group" is a minority. Groups do things like advocate for policies, outside speakers, and entertainment. He might personally be a dipshit, but there's not a single thing wrong with starting such a group in that circumstance. I don't know the situation with whites at GS, but I'll make a substantial bet that there are multiple professors and courses railing against the "white male patriarchy" and most things western.

nafod · Post by **nafod** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:12 am

Grandpa's Spells wrote:
nafod wrote:
Grandpa's Spells wrote:If these groups want to form networks to support each other as students or professionals, that's completely fine.
I disagree exactly 1 million percent. They can form groups, but Universities should not be sanctioning organizations that are based on race. Period.
Why?

Race-based organizations are...racist. A nice racism, but racism none the less. Organizations sanctioned by the University should be blind to race.

Had a funny conversation at a party, where I asked someone what is the term you use for a "nice racist", i.e., someone who makes race-based decisions, but they are good ones. Nice. Meant to help. They have no term. It is the thing that goes unnamed.

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:17 am

Kazuya Mishima wrote:
Grandpa's Spells wrote:
Dunn wrote:
Kazuya Mishima wrote:The white people that form these kinds of things are always the white people that I don't want to be around.
Agreed. But I have to say that they make a sound point. If there can be black or asian student associations then why can't there be a white one? It is a double standard and it should not be allowed.
There are historical reasons why black and other minority groups have such organizations, and historical reasons why white's shouldn't have them and/or don't need them. The white folks who (seriously) want such organizations tend to be idiots.
You and your goddamned crybaby assed nigger apologetics. The point is that whites should be afforded the same freedom to express themselves along racial lines if they so choose.

They should, but whites are usually proud of their specific ethnic heritage. Prout to be a Scot? Cool. Irish? Cool.. Kraut? Cool. Sven? Cool. The kind who would peddle rice krispy treats on IGx? Cool. White? Find out what your heritage is, those who can't, should ask their mother if she found Garm's car keys.

Grandpa's Spells · Post by **Grandpa's Spells** » Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:42 pm

Kid turns out to be a white supremacist.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/0 ... 18997.html

IGX

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