The couch thread

Renegade Doughboy · Post by **Renegade Doughboy** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:38 pm

Rif wrote:different methods for different goals. No one right way. so whats wrong with the tsc?

Everything is wrong with TSC.

Rif · Post by **Rif** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:42 pm

oh course, when you explain it so clearly like that I wonder why didnt I see it. Your ability to communicate is unbefuckinglievable.

szczepan · Post by **szczepan** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:48 pm

Ross Hunt wrote:
coach szczepan wrote:
Renegade Doughboy wrote:The genesis of Hard Style was the development of GS as a sport in the US. It quickly became apparent that to train successfully for GS one had to break all the party rules. RKC's were conflicted and confused that the secret TLT techniques were not effective. Hard Style was put forth as a way for them to feel better about themselves and their sub-optimal training.

And now we have the SSST and TSC.
You are correct again, sir. I always got a huge LOL out of the "GS ruined my strength" whining, many of those same people tried GS, sucked, and are still weak 2+years later. Maybe it wasn't the GS.
I thought that Steve Cotter and Rob Lawrence both said at this at one point or another.

Maybe GS saps speed more than it does grinding limit strength.

But speed contributes to limit strength, so...

It's called specificity dipshit. Is Cotter weak(according to real standards, not X@)? Iis VF weak when he jerks 64kg w/one hand or 32kg w/ his pinky ? I was refferring to people who either: A- never practiced the sport or B-did 1 or 2 meets then quit when Pavel quit promoting GS.

Rif · Post by **Rif** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:00 pm

and, to top it off, those GS pros have one helluva physique!

Maza · Post by **Maza** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:03 pm

Let's talk about politics now on this thread, or martial arts.

Freki · Post by **Freki** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:03 pm

Iis VF weak when he jerks 64kg w/one hand or 32kg w/ his pinky ?

Or when he bottoms up clean and pressed 2 32s in the parking lot after Nationals last year.

Maza · Post by **Maza** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:03 pm

Better yet, let's just quit using other threads altogether and post everything here.

Maza · Post by **Maza** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:06 pm

Sometimes my nuts hurt a little after I lift, but I can't really tell if it's my nuts specifically, or just groin-area-muscle soreness. Is there something I can do to prevent this, or should I just take in a good nut massage after my workouts?

bill fox · Post by **bill fox** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:10 pm

You could call Michelle Kwan, her groin hurts, she may know what to do, but I don't think she has nuts.

Maza · Post by **Maza** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:15 pm

bill fox wrote:You could call Michelle Kwan, her groin hurts, she may know what to do, but I don't think she has nuts.

You're right, if I could get Michelle Kwan to massage my nuts I'm sure all of my problems would go away.

Gav · Post by **Gav** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:20 pm

Maza wrote:Sometimes my nuts hurt a little after I lift, but I can't really tell if it's my nuts specifically, or just groin-area-muscle soreness. Is there something I can do to prevent this, or should I just take in a good nut massage after my workouts?

I think if you changed back to THE unicorn the pain would go away.

Ross Hunt · Post by **Ross Hunt** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:28 pm

Super-Secret Agent K,

Maybe I took your post the wrong way. My point was that, even though 'Hard Style' does sound like the name of some brokeback nudie mag, it might be the case that GS saps strength, since athletes who were anything but push-overs have suggested that this is the case. Maybe I'm remembering their posts incorrectly, though.

re. Doing GS-style lifts faster for a CV workout: From the perspective of somebody who uses KBs only as assistance work for oly lifting, GS style give me bad habits. I have never had any GS jerk technique to speak of, so I can't talk about that, but when I have played with GS technique on my snatches I have ended up using all sorts of things - more arm pull through the corckscrew, less hips, more back - that don't do me any good on the platform.

This would probably matter a lot less for somebody who doesn't oly lift, but I'm not sure that it wouldn't matter at all.

Gav · Post by **Gav** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:37 pm

Ross Hunt wrote:more arm pull through the corckscrew

Isn't the corkscrew part on the way down?

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:38 pm

Gav · Post by **Gav** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:43 pm

Fat Cat wrote:No.

When I tried GS the bell flipped over my hand on the way up and I corkscrewed it on the way down to stop it yanking on the grip at the bottom. Andrey taught me this so it should be right. Am I not getting what Ross is talking about?

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:49 pm

Fuck Andrey. When you snatch with the corckscrew the bell travels around your wrist on the way up, instead of flipping over. Takes less juice. Now post some pictures of your girl holding a sign that says: "I'd fuck Fat Cat for free."

Renegade Doughboy · Post by **Renegade Doughboy** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:56 pm

Rif wrote:and, to top it off, those GS pros have one helluva physique!

And PL'ers are any better?

Renegade Doughboy · Post by **Renegade Doughboy** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:57 pm

Fat Cat wrote:No.

yes it is.

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:57 pm

Sometimes I lie.

Renegade Doughboy · Post by **Renegade Doughboy** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:01 am

Fat Cat wrote:Fuck Andrey. When you snatch with the corckscrew the bell travels around your wrist on the way up, instead of flipping over. Takes less juice. Now post some pictures of your girl holding a sign that says: "I'd fuck Fat Cat for free."

Cat,

Corkscrew refers to the way you rotate the bell out from the lockout and use a rotational motion that you follow on the way down. The point is to not fight the bell.

Coming back up it can go however you want. Some punch through and some go around. Both work. The critical part is where the bell ends up at lockout. There is a specific way to catch it that isn't very descriptable in online conversation.

Renegade Doughboy · Post by **Renegade Doughboy** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:01 am

Rif wrote:oh course, when you explain it so clearly like that I wonder why didnt I see it. Your ability to communicate is unbefuckinglievable.

Rif,

READY TO DEFEND!!!

Need I say more?

Batboy2/75 · Post by **Batboy2/75** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:03 am

Fat Cat wrote:Fuck Andrey. When you snatch with the corckscrew the bell travels around your wrist on the way up, instead of flipping over. Takes less juice. Now post some pictures of your girl holding a sign that says: "I'd fuck Fat Cat for free."

I like were this thread is going. Yes, please do gav, except I'd like her to hold a sign with the caption "Do me Nicco style!"

BTW- The corkscrew is on the way down & it does save the grip. If it's combined with the shallow legs straight rebounded off the goin area (Your hand and arm not the KB), a dip under the bell as it reaches its apex at the top & if your have the right rythum down your can put up more numbers.

Fats-what you're describing is the hand in glove technique. while it does does have a cork scew like feel it's more your hand moving to catch the bells momentum.

But Hey, but the fuck do I know?

BB2/75

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:06 am

Renegade Doughboy wrote:
Fat Cat wrote:Fuck Andrey. When you snatch with the corckscrew the bell travels around your wrist on the way up, instead of flipping over. Takes less juice. Now post some pictures of your girl holding a sign that says: "I'd fuck Fat Cat for free."

Thanks for the clarification. I had always used a corkscrew motion on the upswing, and assumed this was what people were discussing. Now about that sign...

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:07 am

Renegade Doughboy wrote:READY TO DEFEND!!!

LMAO

Renegade Doughboy · Post by **Renegade Doughboy** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:07 am

Fat Cat wrote:
Renegade Doughboy wrote:
Fat Cat wrote:Fuck Andrey. When you snatch with the corckscrew the bell travels around your wrist on the way up, instead of flipping over. Takes less juice. Now post some pictures of your girl holding a sign that says: "I'd fuck Fat Cat for free."
Thanks for the clarification. I had always used a corkscrew motion on the upswing, and assumed this was what people were discussing. Now about that sign...

Corkscrewing is all about saving grip and, as you may suspect, is an important issue for me.