Phillip Seymour Hoffman dead

Grandpa's Spells · Post by **Grandpa's Spells** » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:13 am

The Ginger Beard Man wrote:
DARTH wrote:
nafod wrote:Hoffman was a dick
He seemed that way, but one never knows with a public persona vs a private one.

Best is all his anti gun shit recently while buying a product whose trade puts illegal guns in the hands of ruthless fuckers and causes much death and pain. A lot more than NRA members, who he was helping Bloomberg demonise.

But Blaid's car mechanics analogy fit here well, too.
Anyone I know who knew him said he was a nice guy. I was in meetings with him over a decade ago but had no direct contact.

A good friend of his spoke at my home group tonight and mentioned him. This guy had spent the day with many of their mutual friends, and the family. Mostly normal people (as in not alcoholics or addicts).
The friend said, "He had 23 years and wanted to know why he couldn't have a glass of wine. Now he knows."
This is the,thing that is so hard to explain to normal people. If I have just a sip of wine, I can't stop. Maybe I could sip right now and no more tonight, but within a week really bad shit might happen. And this is why BD is right about the car crash victim analogy.

I wonder if the people who OD have it better than the ones who drink themselves to death over a period of years.

My wife has a good friend who has a one-year old. Three years ago, the friend married a guy who pulled himself out of a pretty rough upbringing that included pills leading to heroin in his early 20's. He'd been clean for many years, became a firefighter, met this great girl, and was just a very solid guy who pulled himself up out of a rough life.

Unfortunately, the average heroin addict relapses something like 5 times. So did he, while his wife was pregnant. Went to rehab, couldn't shake it, and he loses his new family when his wife discovers him using around the kid. Now he's alone and nearly broke (wife came from crazy money, no reason to save). The job will go next, and maybe he'll pull himself out of the dive before he ODs. Wife had this fantastic life and suddenly is a single mom.

Nobody's making those decisions because they like heroin and being poor more than family and being rich. Just brutal.

The Ginger Beard Man · Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:22 am

The only thing that scares me more than drinking again and dying, is drinking again and living thirty more years, drunk.

Protobuilder · Post by **Protobuilder** » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:51 am

The Ginger Beard Man wrote:After oral surgery about a dozen years ago I informed the PA that I was an alcoholic and had to be careful with pain pills. She gave me a scrip for 28 Vicodin, and a sample pill for the road.
A week later I told her that I had just picked up a bottle of Motrin and popped four at a time. She said, "That's great, it's just as good for pain, and it's an anti inflammatory, so it helps you heal faster."

I had a wisdom tooth removed in the US and they drugged me up so much for the surgery that I needed to have somebody drive me home. They then prescribed half a month of Vicodin for the pain, of which I took one before realizing it was not a nice thing.

I've had similar procedures done in two other countries where I chatted with the doctor the entire time and walked out with advice to take some Tylenol the next few days (in one instance) or to come back and get a prescription if needed (in the other). I haven't figured out if the pharmaceutical companies are better at marketing to doctors in the US or if Americans simply like their drugs more than many people.

Protobuilder · Post by **Protobuilder** » Wed Feb 05, 2014 7:57 am

http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2013 ... hout-drugs

Blaidd Drwg · Post by **Blaidd Drwg** » Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:14 am

Russel is a charismatic chap, for sure. I'd like to read a counterpoint written by a lifelong user who can articulate how they balance it all. .

T200 · Post by **T200** » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:39 pm

William Burroughs bibliography

Sassenach · Post by **Sassenach** » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:31 pm

I have repeatedly asked for non narcotic pain killers after surgeries and other stuff. Not because I have any addiction issue, but because I'm one of those people that get twitchy and sweaty from them.

In one instance I was completely ignored and prescribed liquid vicodin. In all the others I was repeatedly offered offered vicodin or oxy anyway.

I couldn't imagine dealing with that if I was sometime trying to stay on the wagon while in pain.

Mickey O'neil · Post by **Mickey O'neil** » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:33 pm

My daughter is in the 8th grade and she says she hears of parties that kids have and go to where there is a bowl of pills where you can take from. I find that somewhat hard to believe but you never know. I sorta know the mom of one of the girls and I have my suspicion that she's on the coke.

Ozymandias · Post by **Ozymandias** » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:11 pm

Its an interesting thing. I spent 7 month as an inpatient in a rehab and now I am clean for almost two years. Feels like forever but sounds like a really short period of time.

I can relate completely to that glass of wine question that Grandpa Spells mentioned, its something I think about everyday. I kind of envy Spells because he seems to believe that one glass= death, while I deal with the question as sort of a risk/reward ratio analysis. Probably because I find the whole AA to be irrational and outdated so I run into a baby and bathwater issue with various aspects of it. But I am not Rant so I wont talk about AA.

Getting sober forced me to change my life, from my pursuits, occupation to social circle. The new social circle that I created was composed of former addicts but too many of them died or returned to addiction, so now my circle is considerably smaller to bordering on the nonexistent. My new addiction is coffee.

My wife and I were watching TV when we heard about Hoffman's death and her reaction was one of contempt, but I had mixed feelings. Addiction is a behavior and I don't know anyone who feels that an individual isn't responsible for his behavior or its consequences. Yet I find it hard to judge using a man suffering from addiction. The physical aspect is explained with neurotransmitters and such, the irrational decision making aspect has been explained with everything from Freudian to Skinnerian psychology to the most scientific of neuroscience, but as whole, addiction is complex and more than the sum of its individual parts. It surprises me how quick some are to judge the addict.

Oh, and my name is Ozymandias and I was an addict.

T200 · Post by **T200** » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:49 pm

Mickey O'neil wrote:My daughter is in the 8th grade and she says she hears of parties that kids have and go to where there is a bowl of pills where you can take from. I find that somewhat hard to believe but you never know. I sorta know the mom of one of the girls and I have my suspicion that she's on the coke.

No fucking chance.

Tell her to take a pic of said bowl of random free (no-limit?) drugs for 8th grade girls next time. Not calling your daughter a liar but I am saying she is wrong as fuck or exaggerating.

You must know that too or I assume she would be banned from going to the free drugz house.

T200 · Post by **T200** » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:49 pm

Or maybe she should be encouraged to go and pick up Mommy and Daddy a little something special.

nafod · Post by **nafod** » Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:38 pm

T200 wrote:
Mickey O'neil wrote:My daughter is in the 8th grade and she says she hears of parties that kids have and go to where there is a bowl of pills where you can take from. I find that somewhat hard to believe but you never know. I sorta know the mom of one of the girls and I have my suspicion that she's on the coke.
No fucking chance.

Tell her to take a pic of said bowl of random free (no-limit?) drugs for 8th grade girls next time. Not calling your daughter a liar but I am saying she is wrong as fuck or exaggerating.

You must know that too or I assume she would be banned from going to the free drugz house.

Thread drift, but this reminds me of this:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... opsis.html

"The Lost Children of Rockdale County" explores how a 1996 syphilis outbreak in a well-off Atlanta suburb affected over 200 teenagers and revealed their lives unknown to parents: group sex, binge drinking, drugs and violence. Some were as young as twelve and thirteen years old.

Although the program begins with an enquiry into how and why the syphilis outbreak happened,it becomes in the end a wider, deeper examination of the world of teenagers and their relationships with each other and with their parents. The report interweaves frank conversations with the parents of teens, as well as interviews with community leaders and educators and with the medical professionals who investigated the syphilis outbreak.

The program sketches a portrait of Rockdale County and its only town, Conyers. Twenty-four miles east of Atlanta on the interstate, Conyers is prosperous and tranquil. But a strip mall of fast food restaurants and chain stores is where the kids hang out. And parents talk about working too hard, often not having enough time for their children, and conflicted about how much to discipline them.

In interviews with a cross-section of Rockdale's teenagers--not all of whom were connected to the syphilis outbreak or even knew about it-- the teens are brutally honest in talking about their world. They describe sexual promiscuity, the new rules of dating and sex, their yearning to fit in and have friends, and their desire for attention--even discipline--from parents who confess they don't know how to--or are just too busy or too tired, to discipline, monitor or talk to their children about the important issues.

This program also looks at the Conyers community's reaction to the syphilis outbreak, and the town meeting which was held a year after the outbreak. One public health official who visited categorizes the community's reaction as "total denial."

Mickey O'neil · Post by **Mickey O'neil** » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:55 pm

T200 wrote:
Mickey O'neil wrote:My daughter is in the 8th grade and she says she hears of parties that kids have and go to where there is a bowl of pills where you can take from. I find that somewhat hard to believe but you never know. I sorta know the mom of one of the girls and I have my suspicion that she's on the coke.
No fucking chance.

Tell her to take a pic of said bowl of random free (no-limit?) drugs for 8th grade girls next time. Not calling your daughter a liar but I am saying she is wrong as fuck or exaggerating.

You must know that too or I assume she would be banned from going to the free drugz house.

I should have emphasized this is hearsay. My daughter doesn't go to these parties or any parties really except for a few friends' birthday parties. She really has only a couple of friends she hangs out with and is probably a little naive.

I'm kind of a strict parent.

Herv100 · Post by **Herv100** » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:16 pm

Mickey O'neil wrote:
T200 wrote:
Mickey O'neil wrote:My daughter is in the 8th grade and she says she hears of parties that kids have and go to where there is a bowl of pills where you can take from. I find that somewhat hard to believe but you never know. I sorta know the mom of one of the girls and I have my suspicion that she's on the coke.
No fucking chance.

Tell her to take a pic of said bowl of random free (no-limit?) drugs for 8th grade girls next time. Not calling your daughter a liar but I am saying she is wrong as fuck or exaggerating.

You must know that too or I assume she would be banned from going to the free drugz house.
I should have emphasized this is hearsay. My daughter doesn't go to these parties or any parties really except for a few friends' birthday parties. She really has only a couple of friends she hangs out with and is probably a little naive.

I'm kind of a strict parent.

Yeah I've heard about that kind of party before. Where every kid brings pills they stole from their parents, they put them all in big bowl, and then everyone takes some pills from the bowl not even knowing what pills they're taking. I think it's kind of an urban legend that probably happened once somewhere, and now it just gets talked about like it happens all the time. Like the rainbow parties where the girls all wear different color lipstick and give blow jobs, so the boys have multi-colored rings on their dicks.

Drew0786 · Post by **Drew0786** » Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:03 pm

It is shocking that he was only 46 years old. He looked mid to late 50's to me.

Grandpa's Spells · Post by **Grandpa's Spells** » Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:18 pm

Drew0786 wrote:It is shocking that he was only 46 years old. He looked mid to late 50's to me.

I felt that way about Gandolfini. Dead at 51? What?

nafod · Post by **nafod** » Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:26 pm

Herv100 wrote:
Mickey O'neil wrote:
T200 wrote:
Mickey O'neil wrote:My daughter is in the 8th grade and she says she hears of parties that kids have and go to where there is a bowl of pills where you can take from. I find that somewhat hard to believe but you never know. I sorta know the mom of one of the girls and I have my suspicion that she's on the coke.
No fucking chance.

Tell her to take a pic of said bowl of random free (no-limit?) drugs for 8th grade girls next time. Not calling your daughter a liar but I am saying she is wrong as fuck or exaggerating.

You must know that too or I assume she would be banned from going to the free drugz house.
I should have emphasized this is hearsay. My daughter doesn't go to these parties or any parties really except for a few friends' birthday parties. She really has only a couple of friends she hangs out with and is probably a little naive.

I'm kind of a strict parent.
Yeah I've heard about that kind of party before. Where every kid brings pills they stole from their parents, they put them all in big bowl, and then everyone takes some pills from the bowl not even knowing what pills they're taking. I think it's kind of an urban legend that probably happened once somewhere, and now it just gets talked about like it happens all the time. Like the rainbow parties where the girls all wear different color lipstick and give blow jobs, so the boys have multi-colored rings on their dicks.

You should read that story I linked to. Stuff that went on not far from what you just said.

Blaidd Drwg · Post by **Blaidd Drwg** » Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:29 pm

Grandpa's Spells wrote:
Drew0786 wrote:It is shocking that he was only 46 years old. He looked mid to late 50's to me.
I felt that way about Gandolfini. Dead at 51? What?

Interesting comparison. Hoffman relapses and dies quick and clean. Labeled a junky. Gandolfini is face down in the feed trough for his entire adult life and is taken away, "all too soon."

Fast and hard or slow and ugly. Addicts behavior is the same.

powerlifter54 · Post by **powerlifter54** » Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:50 pm

Blaidd Drwg · Post by **Blaidd Drwg** » Wed Feb 05, 2014 7:11 pm

nafod wrote:
Herv100 wrote:
Mickey O'neil wrote:
T200 wrote:
Mickey O'neil wrote:My daughter is in the 8th grade and she says she hears of parties that kids have and go to where there is a bowl of pills where you can take from. I find that somewhat hard to believe but you never know. I sorta know the mom of one of the girls and I have my suspicion that she's on the coke.
No fucking chance.

Tell her to take a pic of said bowl of random free (no-limit?) drugs for 8th grade girls next time. Not calling your daughter a liar but I am saying she is wrong as fuck or exaggerating.

You must know that too or I assume she would be banned from going to the free drugz house.
I should have emphasized this is hearsay. My daughter doesn't go to these parties or any parties really except for a few friends' birthday parties. She really has only a couple of friends she hangs out with and is probably a little naive.

I'm kind of a strict parent.
Yeah I've heard about that kind of party before. Where every kid brings pills they stole from their parents, they put them all in big bowl, and then everyone takes some pills from the bowl not even knowing what pills they're taking. I think it's kind of an urban legend that probably happened once somewhere, and now it just gets talked about like it happens all the time. Like the rainbow parties where the girls all wear different color lipstick and give blow jobs, so the boys have multi-colored rings on their dicks.
You should read that story I linked to. Stuff that went on not far from what you just said.

Here's the thing about kids..

They Lie. Children ages 2-24 are hardwired for lying on not just a grand but an epic, earth-shatteringly-bizarre-fucked-beyond-belief scale.

DARTH · Post by **DARTH** » Wed Feb 05, 2014 7:40 pm

And many times kids are doing shit their parents have no idea of. I have some off the hook memories.

It gets worse when the parent(s) are hardly around.

DARTH · Post by **DARTH** » Wed Feb 05, 2014 7:56 pm

My band had an apartment, the Bassist's 18 year old cousin, Fro (Because his hair was like Sideshow Bob's) lived with us. Being 18 he still had lots of 16-18 year old friends.

I walk in one night and they have my bong out and as I go up to claim the hit (my B and no one asked permission, so yes it was be a dick time.) and as I grab it I see that instead of weed it's loaded with a crushed up pill.

"What are you little shits smoking in my TM?"

"We crushed up some Tylenol and some Advils, ha ha ha!"

So I took my bong after slapping the kid for using my B for that shit.

20 minutes later, after cleaning my TM out, I come out of my room and the same asshole is on the floor, moaning about not being able to feel his legs.

"Who here smoked what he did? Raise your fucking hand!" I said, most of the hands went up.

So I put my Carolina jump boots to the grounded little shit's legs. "Feel this motherfucker! Now all of you who raised their hand get the fuck out of here, I am not having one of you shits calling an ambulance or me getting charged for your dumb shit. My friends are fucking party pros, no amateurs allowed except for her!" pointing at one chick on the edge of 18, who did not raise her hand.

"She can stay as I am giving lessons to the worthy, you ass holes better run or this will be an epic boot party!"

She stayed.

Fro was told, like he was our kid that he could not bring over his friends unless we approved.

Shows how stupid kids can be about shit. They ran out of weed (Dime bags are for kiddies!) so they decided to chop up common pills and smoke them. I have no idea what that could do but I was truly worried that the little shit really fucked himself up.

T200 · Post by **T200** » Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:26 am

Dan Patrick's producer was on Stern today talking about how he and his wife saw Hoffman on the street (they don't know him...just saw him) the night before he died and they talked about how terrible he looked and how much older he looked.

T200 · Post by **T200** » Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:28 am

Also Serena Williams called him Phillip Semen Hoffmore on some show.

Eat a dick racists she's hot as fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:35 am

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Understanding how drugs work in real life by listening to addicts is like trying to understand the automobile from the perspective of car crash victims.

You're assuming, of coarse, that users are making, and are capable of making, an informed choice. Peer pressure, low self esteem, unknown addiction issues (AFAIK many of them are genetic), and the dishonesty of others are all factors that have to be considered.

IGX

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