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[quoteAmerica pretty much has the best integrated Muslin population in the Western world.][/quote]

American Muslims are different. Seriously. Even the idiots in Detroit dont compare.

Think Muslim Lite, or Muslim out of convenience or fashion. Its like Malcolm X vs Bin Laden.

"What does a Middle Eastern Muslim call an American Muslim?" nonbeliever.

I would bet the biggest differences between Muslims in the US and Europe are due to migration decisions. The more skilled, harder working people are more likely to move to a country where skill and hard work pay off. People who want to sit on their asses all day and yell about rules written in past millennia will tend to move to different countries.

The Venerable Bogatir X wrote:

Turdacious wrote: You reckon military service is the solution?

There are pros and cons. If they don't join, you get a better military service. If they are required to, everybody has skin in the game.

The key word here would be *every(able)body*.

yes, universal military service is the right answer.

everyone should be subject to the draft. we wouldn't need everybody ultimately to serve.

no exemptions, such as those given to dick cheney--or me for that matter.

don't assume you would get a less effective military. my father served 5 years in wwii after graduating from law school. army air force pilot, shot down, rescued and continued flying. my brother enlisted (rather than being drafted) after college and was navy eod. served in the atlantic, so he avoided the vietnam shitstorm.

america's rulers don't have the stomach to reinstate the draft. the current situation, where the rulers' family members view things from a remote and safe distance, allows the decision makers to slide sideways into military adventures like afghanistan, where the enemy can return to safety of home base in pakistan, as though we are playing kick the can. congress acquiesces. the generals go along with it. everyday americans get to focus on the things that matter, like: is low-carb the answer? what brand of coffee grinder should i buy?

dead man walking wrote:

The Venerable Bogatir X wrote:

Turdacious wrote: You reckon military service is the solution?

There are pros and cons. If they don't join, you get a better military service. If they are required to, everybody has skin in the game.

The key word here would be *every(able)body*.

yes, universal military service is the right answer.

everyone should be subject to the draft. we wouldn't need everybody ultimately to serve.

no exemptions, such as those given to dick cheney--or me for that matter.

don't assume you would get a less effective military. my father served 5 years in wwii after graduating from law school. army air force pilot, shot down, rescued and continued flying. my brother enlisted (rather than being drafted) after college and was navy eod. served in the atlantic, so he avoided the vietnam shitstorm.

america's rulers don't have the stomach to reinstate the draft. the current situation, where the rulers' family members view things from a remote and safe distance, allows the decision makers to slide sideways into military adventures like afghanistan, where the enemy can return to safety of home base in pakistan, as though we are playing kick the can. congress acquiesces. the generals go along with it. everyday americans get to focus on the things that matter, like: is low-carb the answer? what brand of coffee grinder should i buy?

The Generals go along with it because of the constitution. They must.

If you consider the opportunity costs of taking young, able-bodied people out of the labor market, reinstating the draft would be absurdly expensive.

Pinky wrote:If you consider the opportunity costs of taking young, able-bodied people out of the labor market, reinstating the draft would be absurdly expensive.

It would primarily bring in people not in the formal labor market, and poetry majors.

Double post.

Pinky wrote:If you consider the opportunity costs of taking young, able-bodied people out of the labor market, reinstating the draft would be absurdly expensive.

Nothing in contrast to of having an electorate and political class that has zero sense of civic virtue or duty. Universal suffrage is a joke without universal conscription.

Citizenship and good governance isn't built upon national GDP or how much shit we die with.

there is only serendipitous correlation between federal policy and rational economics, rendering pinky's point irrelevant

Pinky wrote:I would bet the biggest differences between Muslims in the US and Europe are due to migration decisions. The more skilled, harder working people are more likely to move to a country where skill and hard work pay off. People who want to sit on their asses all day and yell about rules written in past millennia will tend to move to different countries.

Interesting theory but over simplistic. Many if not most of the French immigrants have connections to former French colonies. Chickens coming home to roost. And France is dealing now with the kids, if not the grandkids, of the original immigrants.

The “survivors’ issue” of Charlie Hebdo will also be sold outside France next week because of the massive world attention for the satirical weekly following the massacre of its top staff.

The remaining employees of the publication are putting out the special edition next Wednesday, which they say will have one million copies printed instead of the usual 60,000 – a turnaround for a publication that just a week ago was on the brink of folding.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/j ... land-spain
All the terrorists accomplished was saving a desperate and dying magazine.

I hadn't seen this footage before. Interested to hear input from people who have used these types of weapons in their natural habitat...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEvlKKm6og[/youtube]

I think this is another example of someone with a little bit of knowledge thinking they know more than they know, and they sound much smarter than they are.

A human head is nothing like a watermelon. Shooting flesh is not as predictable as the maker of the video thinks. The stuff you see in horror flicks where a bullet makes a massive exit wound and mess doesn't happen very often. A close range blast with a shotgun as you see in some suicides - yes I have heard that can be quite an awful scene. But that's the exception.

I remember a story about a police shooting that was well publicized in law enforcement at the time. The cop shot it out with a guy robbing a convenience store. He shot him in the head and it didn't slow the guy down In the hospital they found that the bullet went through the scalp, hit the skull at an oblique angle, traveled along the skull and went back out the back of the scalp. This was back in New York in the late 70s early 80s I think and it was a .38 special with full metal jacket round nosed ammo. The AK fires a much more powerful round but the point is, sometimes it doesn't go the way you think.

It is not uncommon at all for people to leave their ID behind - often in the car - when they commit crimes, for various reasons. There was just one like this locally a few months ago. Guy murdered a cop then drove away. Up to the point of the murder he was all professional; then he lost his shit. He got his truck stuck, panicked, and left a lot of evidence in the truck. As one friend puts it, "Unfortunately there are a lot of criminals; fortunately there are not a lot of Master Criminals."

I think this is another example of someone with a little bit of knowledge thinking they know more than they know, and they sound much smarter than they are.

Agree except for the sounding smart part. Watermelons and heads have nothing to do with each other. Plenty of video out there of what a short range rifle shot to the head looks like.

They also act as if they're poking holes without actually providing an alternate narrative that makes sense based on their alleged discoveries. E.g., let's say that cop wasn't shot in the head. Are they suggesting he's alive? That his family is lying that he's dead? To what end?

They don't do this because it's idiotic. The whole goal is to review this stuff, point out alleged inconsistencies and collect page hits.

Some FMJ AK47 rounds will actually drill a hole instead of tumble. No explosive exit wound.

Also, The commentator apparently knows zero about combloc style AK47 muzzle brakes. Most AK47 have them and a muzzle brake directs gasses AWAY from the muzzle and at an angle. That is what you are seeing above the police officers head. Gases escaping the muzzle brake at an angle.

Dude is a douchebag that should stick to Call of Duty.

This is part of the new Muslim meme that them crafty, hooked nosed, shape shifting, evil Jews faked and or orchestrated the Charlie Hebdo murders.

You know, since the murdered guys were satirists, I think jokes about the thing are, in this case, oddly appropriate.

My favorite so far:

What kind of coffee do terrorists drink?


Instant, because they hate the French press.

That's a terrible joke.

Batboy2/75 wrote: Nothing in contrast to of having an electorate and political class that has zero sense of civic virtue or duty. Universal suffrage is a joke without universal conscription.

The idea that forcing people into service will make them feel a stronger since of civic duty is even dumber than the idea of making our military even more ludicrously expensive by reinstating conscription. People don't even like paying taxes, and you think taking years out of their life will make them love the country more?

your calculations fail to account for the fact that with conscription we might not launch hugely expensive and futile military ventures. conscription worked until vietnam, then it didn't work because enough people hated the war. conscription wasn't the problem. the war was. conscription is a reasonable price--finananically and socially--to pay for a democracy.

given the sad record of economists recently, you will understand our doubts regarding both your calculations and your opinions

dead man walking wrote:your calculations fail to account for the fact that with conscription we might not launch hugely expensive and futile military ventures. conscription worked until vietnam, then it didn't work because enough people hated the war. conscription wasn't the problem. the war was. conscription is a reasonable price--finananically and socially--to pay for a democracy.

given the sad record of economists recently, you will understand our doubts regarding both your calculations and your opinions

We can still get sucked into hugely expensive military ventures. The decision makers didn't expect conscription to be necessary when they got into Vietnam. They didn't expect it for the Civil War either.

Vietnam era conscription failed because the system was flawed and too easily gameable by too many people. A good conscription system has very few exemptions. In my mind, the way the Reserve and National Guard was used qualifies an an exemption. Those who found a way to opt out so someone poorer could take their place are in no position to take any moral high ground.

Turdacious wrote:

dead man walking wrote:your calculations fail to account for the fact that with conscription we might not launch hugely expensive and futile military ventures. conscription worked until vietnam, then it didn't work because enough people hated the war. conscription wasn't the problem. the war was. conscription is a reasonable price--finananically and socially--to pay for a democracy.

given the sad record of economists recently, you will understand our doubts regarding both your calculations and your opinions

Vietnam era conscription failed because the system was flawed and too easily gameable by too many people.

fair point.

SubClaw wrote:

T>1200 wrote:Is it true they've ceded control of certain neighborhoods to them in terms of policing and law? Western guilt about assimilation leads to lack of common principles and agreements on the basic values that define a society. When a group is actively trying to upend your culture, and you let them create enclaves within your society that do not participate and follow foreign law, you've got a problem. That creates cockroaches that must be stomped.

Yes, it's true. And it's happening in Sweden too.

But... the same can be said about certain black neighborhoods in the US.

Hmmmm, pretty sure that's bullshit. They say the same in the UK, but it's bollocks. There is scope in UK law to accommodate religious law in civil maters, (eg local financial or property matters) and concerned parties both have to opt in to this or it will be done in the proper way. This applies to Jews as well as Muslims.

Dunno about French cities, but the Fox news fuckwitt who proclaimed Birmingham all-Muslim is big talk over here, and an object of ridicule. Muslims represent less than 5% of our population and the only valid reason I wouldn't regularly visit Brum is because it's a shit-hole. Nowt to do with the population.

That said, I dont want to be perceived as some liberal lefty. I put fundamentalist religious types in the same bracket as I put dogs and cats; utterly pointless, socially unacceptable and in need of a bolt gun to the face.

Pinky wrote:

Batboy2/75 wrote: Nothing in contrast to of having an electorate and political class that has zero sense of civic virtue or duty. Universal suffrage is a joke without universal conscription.

The idea that forcing people into service will make them feel a stronger since of civic duty is even dumber than the idea of making our military even more ludicrously expensive by reinstating conscription. People don't even like paying taxes, and you think taking years out of their life will make them love the country more?

I never mentioned loving their country. I mentioned earning their seat at the table to make decisions. The power to vote is the power of force. If unearned, universal suffrage leads to what we have have today. An electorate of spoiled brat tyrants and jackal politicians willing to cater to them. An electorate that can be for war one year and then against it another. All the while never serving one day in the military and in harms way. Fuck them and their unearned right to vote.

During an interview with the Hamburg-based news magazine "Stern," editor of the French weekly "Charlie Hebdo" said he would no longer draw comics of the Muslim prophet Muhammad.

http://www.dw.com/en/no-more-muhammad-c ... l-1573-rdf