The AI Revolution

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The AI Revolution

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Set aside fifteen minutes to read the article at the link below. Part One and Two.

http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificia ... ion-1.html
The Far Future—Coming Soon

Imagine taking a time machine back to 1750—a time when the world was in a permanent power outage, long-distance communication meant either yelling loudly or firing a cannon in the air, and all transportation ran on hay. When you get there, you retrieve a dude, bring him to 2015, and then walk him around and watch him react to everything. It’s impossible for us to understand what it would be like for him to see shiny capsules racing by on a highway, talk to people who had been on the other side of the ocean earlier in the day, watch sports that were being played 1,000 miles away, hear a musical performance that happened 50 years ago, and play with my magical wizard rectangle that he could use to capture a real-life image or record a living moment, generate a map with a paranormal moving blue dot that shows him where he is, look at someone’s face and chat with them even though they’re on the other side of the country, and worlds of other inconceivable sorcery. This is all before you show him the internet or explain things like the International Space Station, the Large Hadron Collider, nuclear weapons, or general relativity.

This experience for him wouldn’t be surprising or shocking or even mind-blowing—those words aren’t big enough. He might actually die.

But here’s the interesting thing—if he then went back to 1750 and got jealous that we got to see his reaction and decided he wanted to try the same thing, he’d take the time machine and go back the same distance, get someone from around the year 1500, bring him to 1750, and show him everything. And the 1500 guy would be shocked by a lot of things—but he wouldn’t die. It would be far less of an insane experience for him, because while 1500 and 1750 were very different, they were much less different than 1750 to 2015. The 1500 guy would learn some mind-bending shit about space and physics, he’d be impressed with how committed Europe turned out to be with that new imperialism fad, and he’d have to do some major revisions of his world map conception. But watching everyday life go by in 1750—transportation, communication, etc.—definitely wouldn’t make him die.

No, in order for the 1750 guy to have as much fun as we had with him, he’d have to go much farther back—maybe all the way back to about 12,000 BC, before the First Agricultural Revolution gave rise to the first cities and to the concept of civilization. If someone from a purely hunter-gatherer world—from a time when humans were, more or less, just another animal species—saw the vast human empires of 1750 with their towering churches, their ocean-crossing ships, their concept of being “inside,” and their enormous mountain of collective, accumulated human knowledge and discovery—he’d likely die.

And then what if, after dying, he got jealous and wanted to do the same thing. If he went back 12,000 years to 24,000 BC and got a guy and brought him to 12,000 BC, he’d show the guy everything and the guy would be like, “Okay what’s your point who cares.” For the 12,000 BC guy to have the same fun, he’d have to go back over 100,000 years and get someone he could show fire and language to for the first time.

In order for someone to be transported into the future and die from the level of shock they’d experience, they have to go enough years ahead that a “die level of progress,” or a Die Progress Unit (DPU) has been achieved. So a DPU took over 100,000 years in hunter-gatherer times, but at the post-Agricultural Revolution rate, it only took about 12,000 years. The post-Industrial Revolution world has moved so quickly that a 1750 person only needs to go forward a couple hundred years for a DPU to have happened.

This pattern—human progress moving quicker and quicker as time goes on—is what futurist Ray Kurzweil calls human history’s Law of Accelerating Returns. This happens because more advanced societies have the ability to progress at a faster rate than less advanced societies—because they’re more advanced. 19th century humanity knew more and had better technology than 15th century humanity, so it’s no surprise that humanity made far more advances in the 19th century than in the 15th century—15th century humanity was no match for 19th century humanity.


Skip out a lot of the article here. Click the fucking link to read it


And here’s where we get to an intense concept: recursive self-improvement. It works like this—

An AI system at a certain level—let’s say human village idiot—is programmed with the goal of improving its own intelligence. Once it does, it’s smarter—maybe at this point it’s at Einstein’s level—so now when it works to improve its intelligence, with an Einstein-level intellect, it has an easier time and it can make bigger leaps. These leaps make it much smarter than any human, allowing it to make even bigger leaps. As the leaps grow larger and happen more rapidly, the AGI soars upwards in intelligence and soon reaches the superintelligent level of an ASI system. This is called an Intelligence Explosion,11 and it’s the ultimate example of The Law of Accelerating Returns.

There is some debate about how soon AI will reach human-level general intelligence—the median year on a survey of hundreds of scientists about when they believed we’d be more likely than not to have reached AGI was 204012—that’s only 25 years from now, which doesn’t sound that huge until you consider that many of the thinkers in this field think it’s likely that the progression from AGI to ASI happens very quickly. Like—this could happen:

It takes decades for the first AI system to reach low-level general intelligence, but it finally happens. A computer is able to understand the world around it as well as a human four-year-old. Suddenly, within an hour of hitting that milestone, the system pumps out the grand theory of physics that unifies general relativity and quantum mechanics, something no human has been able to definitively do. 90 minutes after that, the AI has become an ASI, 170,000 times more intelligent than a human.

Superintelligence of that magnitude is not something we can remotely grasp, any more than a bumblebee can wrap its head around Keynesian Economics. In our world, smart means a 130 IQ and stupid means an 85 IQ—we don’t have a word for an IQ of 12,952.

What we do know is that humans’ utter dominance on this Earth suggests a clear rule: with intelligence comes power. Which means an ASI, when we create it, will be the most powerful being in the history of life on Earth, and all living things, including humans, will be entirely at its whim—and this might happen in the next few decades.

If our meager brains were able to invent wifi, then something 100 or 1,000 or 1 billion times smarter than we are should have no problem controlling the positioning of each and every atom in the world in any way it likes, at any time—everything we consider magic, every power we imagine a supreme God to have will be as mundane an activity for the ASI as flipping on a light switch is for us. Creating the technology to reverse human aging, curing disease and hunger and even mortality, reprogramming the weather to protect the future of life on Earth—all suddenly possible. Also possible is the immediate end of all life on Earth. As far as we’re concerned, if an ASI comes to being, there is now an omnipotent God on Earth—and the all-important question for us is:



Will it be a nice God?


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Very cool, thought-provoking article!

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This strikes me as unthought out bullshit. Is the author not aware that there are some isolated groups of people still living what are essentially stone-age hunting and gathering lives right now? Anthropologists call these groups "unacculturated," which means they are unaware of any of culture but their own.

A couple of such groups I have met are Korowai tribesmen living deep in the Asmat swamps of
West Papua. In Africa, some groups of Bambenjeli pygmies who live near and in the Endoki Forest are unacculturated..

My friend, botanist Michael Fay, took a pygmy who'd previously lived a hunting-gathering life in a TRUCK to Bangui, capital of the Central African Republic, where they have television and traffic and towering four story high hotels. And guess what? That pygmy didn't die. Not even a little bit. He heard music on the radio, saw sports on TV and he DIDN"T DIE. Fucker didn't even get sick.

But the hotel elevator fascinated him. You stand in one spot and the door opens you are in another place and 50 feet off the ground. He rode the elevator, up and down, for half an hour. And it didn't kill him.

This I refute the central premise of that dumb-ass article.
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Elon Musk tweeted this link a couple months back. Super fun article. That site's article on the Fermi Paradox (where are the aliens) is also good.
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seeahill wrote:This strikes me as unthought out bullshit. Is the author not aware that there are some isolated groups of people still living what are essentially stone-age hunting and gathering lives right now? Anthropologists call these groups "unacculturated," which means they are unaware of any of culture but their own.

A couple of such groups I have met are Korowai tribesmen living deep in the Asmat swamps of
West Papua. In Africa, some groups of Bambenjeli pygmies who live near and in the Endoki Forest are unacculturated..

My friend, botanist Michael Fay, took a pygmy who'd previously lived a hunting-gathering life in a TRUCK to Bangui, capital of the Central African Republic, where they have television and traffic and towering four story high hotels. And guess what? That pygmy didn't die. Not even a little bit. He heard music on the radio, saw sports on TV and he DIDN"T DIE. Fucker didn't even get sick.

But the hotel elevator fascinated him. You stand in one spot and the door opens you are in another place and 50 feet off the ground. He rode the elevator, up and down, for half an hour. And it didn't kill him.

This I refute the central premise of that dumb-ass article.
Your entire point can be summed up as follows;

"I'm friends with Michael Fay".


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Beer Jew wrote:Set aside fifteen minutes to...
Yeah.

Sure.
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I watched Ex Machina last night, the primary fembot is a smoke show. I'm ready for this AI revolution

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Beer Jew,
You know who Michael Fay is? No shit. I've gained a little respect here.
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seeahill wrote:This strikes me as unthought out bullshit...This I refute the central premise of that dumb-ass article.
The central premise is the ever increasing rate of change of the ever increasing leaps in technology. The rate of change of the rate of change. His analogy about the change being so awesome you die is stupid, but was just the highlight the premise.

I genuinely worry about this too. When computers can design computers, and better computers can design better computers, the cycle is going to go fast.
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That article was tarded. But this right here is some good shit bros. On topic.

Intelligent machines/Gods and degenerated humans...

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This is tripped out far future super high tech post collapse of human decency the cultural left wins it all juju

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