IGX

Terry B wrote:You should've been charged with assault.

The tree was fine.

I like the sounds of the Morita therapy. I had a friend who was thrown in jail for a long weekend. He said at first he went through a lot of emotions, then he started hearing all sorts of music he listened to as a young man, then more emotions etc. When he was freed he didn't want to leave because, by his own account, he was feeling more peaceful than he had in his life. Just sitting alone quietly for a period of time each day will bring up stuff to be processed.

Getting on the path toward wholeness in any way is better than not. Even the erroneous paths whittle down the future choices and increase the chance of finding something that works. If she is willing to give it a go then go for it...just give her room to quit if she wants. If you press it she will probably push back. Like Kenny X said, having someone love him in spite of all his foibles is incredibly helpful.

My experience is that it isn't "thoughts" or behaviors that need to be changed. I did some analysis for a while and it helped me mentally understand why I did certain things but it didn't change the motive force behind these actions. The motive force is imo emotions. The subconscious is trying to protect us from things it was imprinted with and anything that feels similar or creates a similar emotional resonance to the original imprint will trigger the subconscious into action. It goes into action by creating a feeling that we try to move toward or away from. The mind will spin stories about why we feel this way and this get a person to try and control or change people or conditions all around them until the feeling subsides...but it will come back in another form over and over. Taking no action whatsoever when these feelings come up is one of the most challenging things a person can do but it overcomes the reactivity that is making a person a slave to their subconscious/emotions reactions. The root is emotional. Until this is addressed we are emotional infants throwing adult temper tantrums. In my experience the only way out is to go directly into the heart of it which is the pain that motivates the thoughts and actions and be with it unconditionally. Accepting reality unconditionally is not easy. Eventually a person on this path knows from experience that moving into the sharp edges of life yield great rewards after the pain washes through (though sometimes it feels like it is going to kill the person)...Then a person can begin to let go of trying to control things that they can't control and moves into the flow.

The resources I have found useful are:
"The Presence Process" by Michael Brown
"Yoga The Art of Communication" by Viktor Boyko (realyoga.ru click the english link and download the book...it is an almost unreadable translation but I found great value in it after pouring over it and over it again.)
"Yoga Nidra" by Swami Sataranda Saraswati (sp?) or just listen to this :https://www.youtube.com/user/spandakarika/videos (any of the yoga nidra videos he posted as they are from Saraswati's book and done at the correct pace).
Sitting still for a while everyday especially when it is hard to. One's dust doesn't settle when one remains in motion.

I sure wish you and your wife the best. This has got to be hard on you BJ. I feel for you and hope you guys find a way through this.
Good luck and feel free to PM me if you have any questions about the resources or how I use(d) them.

syaigh wrote:As expected, their kids . . . will probably spend high school getting pregnant in the back of their boyfriend's car.

speaking for the boys in the neighborhood, i feel confident saying this is the behavior they like to see

Thank you Bedlam. I'll very likely PM you once I've digested your post.

Bedlam 0-0-0 wrote:My experience is that it isn't "thoughts" or behaviors that need to be changed. I did some analysis for a while and it helped me mentally understand why I did certain things but it didn't change the motive force behind these actions. The motive force is imo emotions. The subconscious is trying to protect us from things it was imprinted with and anything that feels similar or creates a similar emotional resonance to the original imprint will trigger the subconscious into action. It goes into action by creating a feeling that we try to move toward or away from. The mind will spin stories about why we feel this way and this get a person to try and control or change people or conditions all around them until the feeling subsides...but it will come back in another form over and over. Taking no action whatsoever when these feelings come up is one of the most challenging things a person can do but it overcomes the reactivity that is making a person a slave to their subconscious/emotions reactions. The root is emotional. Until this is addressed we are emotional infants throwing adult temper tantrums. In my experience the only way out is to go directly into the heart of it which is the pain that motivates the thoughts and actions and be with it unconditionally. Accepting reality unconditionally is not easy. Eventually a person on this path knows from experience that moving into the sharp edges of life yield great rewards after the pain washes through (though sometimes it feels like it is going to kill the person)...Then a person can begin to let go of trying to control things that they can't control and moves into the flow.

The resources I have found useful are:
"The Presence Process" by Michael Brown
"Yoga The Art of Communication" by Viktor Boyko (realyoga.ru click the english link and download the book...it is an almost unreadable translation but I found great value in it after pouring over it and over it again.)
"Yoga Nidra" by Swami Sataranda Saraswati (sp?) or just listen to this :https://www.youtube.com/user/spandakarika/videos (any of the yoga nidra videos he posted as they are from Saraswati's book and done at the correct pace).
Sitting still for a while everyday especially when it is hard to. One's dust doesn't settle when one remains in motion.

I sure wish you and your wife the best. This has got to be hard on you BJ. I feel for you and hope you guys find a way through this.
Good luck and feel free to PM me if you have any questions about the resources or how I use(d) them.

Peter Ralston's stuff, The Book Of Not-Knowing and Pursuing Consciousness both speak to this same thing. Seeing the emotions, digging past them, not reacting to them.

nafod wrote:[Peter Ralston's stuff, The Book Of Not-Knowing and Pursuing Consciousness

read one--which one?--or both?

nafod wrote: Peter Ralston's stuff, The Book Of Not-Knowing and Pursuing Consciousness both speak to this same thing. Seeing the emotions, digging past them, not reacting to them.

Thanks Nafod. I will remember to take a look at those books when they cross my path.

dead man walking wrote:

nafod wrote:[Peter Ralston's stuff, The Book Of Not-Knowing and Pursuing Consciousness

read one--which one?--or both?

The second was meant to follow on to the first. I think you could read the second, and if it grabs you, it would be a gateway drug to the much longer and more thorough first book.

I've read and retread multiple sections of Pursuing Consciousness since picking it up a couple of months ago. Fascinating read.

thank you

i'm surprised you are reading this stuff--you don't seem like one of the deranged posters

dead man walking wrote:thank you

i'm surprised you are reading this stuff--you don't seem like one of the deranged posters

I'm fascinated by the whole idea of intelligence and consciousness and what we are. It's kind of like at the end of the day what else is there?

nafod wrote:

dead man walking wrote:thank you

i'm surprised you are reading this stuff--you don't seem like one of the deranged posters

I'm fascinated by the whole idea of intelligence and consciousness and what we are. It's kind of like at the end of the day what else is there?

Same here. Even before I met my wife, I was always fascinated by this stuff.

Im crazy.

nafod wrote:

dead man walking wrote:thank you

i'm surprised you are reading this stuff--you don't seem like one of the deranged posters

I'm fascinated by the whole idea of intelligence and consciousness and what we are. It's kind of like at the end of the day what else is there?

Oh IDK, all the shit in the material world???

you fucking ponce!

Ok then, try not looking both ways next time you step out your front door.

Extra credit if you can identify the reference.

Terry B wrote:

nafod wrote:

dead man walking wrote:thank you

i'm surprised you are reading this stuff--you don't seem like one of the deranged posters

I'm fascinated by the whole idea of intelligence and consciousness and what we are. It's kind of like at the end of the day what else is there?

Oh IDK, all the shit in the material world???

you fucking ponce!

But it is known through your senses and consciousness only. And what you see and perceive is not as tightly coupled to what "is" as you think it is. Vision = brain and perception does not always equal reality. Why would it be any different for any other part of what goes on in the noggin?

Ok then, try not looking both ways next time you step out your front door.

Because the eyes never lie

I forgot that a handful of optical illusions, most generated electronically these days, mean the entire world is suspect.

Shouldn't you be watching an awful television show?

Classic IGX...noodling around with "how do i know the color blue you see...." will not solve BJ's wife's issues (an ibogaine trip might.)

All y'all motherfuckers need real drugs.

Terry B wrote:I forgot that a handful of optical illusions, most generated electronically these days, mean the entire world is suspect.

Certainly your perception of it.

nafod wrote:

Terry B wrote:I forgot that a handful of optical illusions, most generated electronically these days, mean the entire world is suspect.

Certainly your perception of it.

What's your functional alternative?

Blaidd Drwg wrote:

nafod wrote:

Terry B wrote:I forgot that a handful of optical illusions, most generated electronically these days, mean the entire world is suspect.

Certainly your perception of it.

What's your functional alternative?

I've just moved from ignorant positude to a measure of enlightened uncertainty and an awareness that, although I am certain I am right and what I see is reality, I may be wrong. I've also got a better sense of how "I" manipulate my "self" through emotions. Awareness helps reduce that effect.

Emotions can manipulate perception too, certainly. Think beach-goers aren't going to see a different ocean when they look out over the dunes in North Carolina right now? Especially parents.

nafod wrote:I've just moved from ignorant positude to a measure of enlightened uncertainty and an awareness that, although I am certain I am right and what I see is reality, I may be wrong. I've also got a better sense of how "I" manipulate my "self" through emotions. Awareness helps reduce that effect.

Emotions can manipulate perception too, certainly. Think beach-goers aren't going to see a different ocean when they look out over the dunes in North Carolina right now? Especially parents.

Ahhhh...This I grok.

Fuck off in peace, Brother.

nafod wrote:

Blaidd Drwg wrote:

nafod wrote:

Terry B wrote:I forgot that a handful of optical illusions, most generated electronically these days, mean the entire world is suspect.

Certainly your perception of it.

What's your functional alternative?

I've just moved from ignorant positude to a measure of enlightened uncertainty and an awareness that, although I am certain I am right and what I see is reality, I may be wrong. I've also got a better sense of how "I" manipulate my "self" through emotions. Awareness helps reduce that effect.

Emotions can manipulate perception too, certainly. Think beach-goers aren't going to see a different ocean when they look out over the dunes in North Carolina right now? Especially parents.

All this bullshit and your conclusion is you MIGHT be wrong????

You MIGHT???

Nafod, you are categorically wrong about .... everything.

Signed,

Terry B

Terry B wrote:

nafod wrote:

Blaidd Drwg wrote:

nafod wrote:

Terry B wrote:I forgot that a handful of optical illusions, most generated electronically these days, mean the entire world is suspect.

Certainly your perception of it.

What's your functional alternative?

I've just moved from ignorant positude to a measure of enlightened uncertainty and an awareness that, although I am certain I am right and what I see is reality, I may be wrong. I've also got a better sense of how "I" manipulate my "self" through emotions. Awareness helps reduce that effect.

Emotions can manipulate perception too, certainly. Think beach-goers aren't going to see a different ocean when they look out over the dunes in North Carolina right now? Especially parents.

All this bullshit and your conclusion is you MIGHT be wrong????

You MIGHT???

Nafod, you are categorically wrong about .... everything.

Signed,

Terry B

I can prove you don't exist

is it possible to transmute yourself into the platonic form of nafod instead of boring us with the material form of nafod?