El Chapo

seeahill · Post by **seeahill** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:58 am

I'm reading this great book, The Cartel, by Don Winslow, whom we've talked about before. It's about the drug wars in Mexico, 2008-2012. It's a little different from his other books. More complex. Deeper. I've read some knowledgeable reviews that say it's based on fact. Cartel guys did, in fact, decapitate five guys and roll the heads into a disco. Reviews say Winslow didn't even use the most gruesome facts.
El Chapo, in the book, is Adan Barrera. Who, what the fuck, escapes from the most max security jail in Mexico by, guess what, corrupting the jail officials. Hell of a book and now very very topical. Recommended.

Luke · Post by **Luke** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:00 am

Thanks. I've been looking for a good cartel read.

Andy83 · Post by **Andy83** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:49 pm

Sanctuary cities in America are the perfect distribution points for the cartels' wares. Does he mention that in the book, Tim?

seeahill · Post by **seeahill** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:41 pm

Andy81 wrote:Sanctuary cities in America are the perfect distribution points for the cartels' wares. Does he mention that in the book, Tim?

Nope. His previous books had to do with dealings in the States. Sanctuary cities were not mentioned.

Most of this book takes place in Mexico and involves a lot of murders and double-crosses among the various parties: the Gulf Cartel, the Zetas, the Michoacan Familia, the Sinaloa Cartel and the Army and Police who sometimes side with one group or another. Or even occasionally do their jobs.

TerryB · Post by **TerryB** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:49 pm

How does a sawed off little chubby guy get so much power?

Doesn't someone just kick his ass along the way?

I really don't get it.

This 5'6" twat is the world's most feared drug lord?

HOW?

bennyonesix · Post by **bennyonesix** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:05 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc2iLAubras[/youtube]

Andy83 · Post by **Andy83** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:07 pm

He starts with one stooge body guard killer who will do his bidding. That peckerhead has to recruit two more. Those two have to recruit two and so on arithmetic progression style until he has an army of killer/earner/money collectors. They all have a job to do for da man. Includes politicians, police in sanctuary city distribution points. Anybody who steps out of line, dies a horrible death. Is that so hard to understand?

Boris · Post by **Boris** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:04 pm

Today's Fresh Air on NPR had an interview w. Don Winslow. Sounds great. I'll be buying it later today.

Shafpocalypse Now · Post by **Shafpocalypse Now** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:42 pm

I love how Andy immediately brings up some made up bullshit from the right wing radio pundits "sanctuary cities"...lulz.

nafod · Post by **nafod** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:45 pm

I'm just glad America keeps funding him

Andy83 · Post by **Andy83** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:43 pm

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:I love how Andy immediately brings up some made up bullshit from the right wing radio pundits "sanctuary cities"...lulz.

Retarded low level people like you can never understand. So just obey and shut the fuck up.

DrDonkeyLove · Post by **DrDonkeyLove** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:50 pm

seeahill wrote:I'm reading this great book, The Cartel, by Don Winslow, whom we've talked about before. It's about the drug wars in Mexico, 2008-2012. It's a little different from his other books. More complex. Deeper. I've read some knowledgeable reviews that say it's based on fact. Cartel guys did, in fact, decapitate five guys and roll the heads into a disco. Reviews say Winslow didn't even use the most gruesome facts.
El Chapo, in the book, is Adan Barrera. Who, what the fuck, escapes from the most max security jail in Mexico by, guess what, corrupting the jail officials. Hell of a book and now very very topical. Recommended.

Bill O'Reilly recommended this book on TV last night. Who knew you two were in such sync?

Andy83 · Post by **Andy83** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:02 pm

Billy ain't afraid of nobody. Not even El Chapo or Donald Trump. He got a stooge to write his books and making millions and millions off his efforts.

tonkadtx · Post by **tonkadtx** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:41 pm

I thought a "Power of the Dog" was very good. If anything it was too ambitious and he tried to tell the whole history of the drug war as a novel. I grew up in NY when all the crap was going on so i knew exactly who the characters where supposed to be. If you really want to enjoy it, read up on Roy DeMeo, Dominick Montiglio, Jimmy Coonen, and Mickey Featherstone as well as Iran-Contra.

Andy83 · Post by **Andy83** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:54 pm

Billy ain't afraid of nobody. Not even El Chapo or Donald Trump. He got a stooge to write his books and making millions and millions off his efforts.

Boris · Post by **Boris** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:18 pm

seeahill · Post by **seeahill** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:51 am

DrDonkeyLove wrote:
seeahill wrote:I'm reading this great book, The Cartel, by Don Winslow, whom we've talked about before. It's about the drug wars in Mexico, 2008-2012. It's a little different from his other books. More complex. Deeper. I've read some knowledgeable reviews that say it's based on fact. Cartel guys did, in fact, decapitate five guys and roll the heads into a disco. Reviews say Winslow didn't even use the most gruesome facts.
El Chapo, in the book, is Adan Barrera. Who, what the fuck, escapes from the most max security jail in Mexico by, guess what, corrupting the jail officials. Hell of a book and now very very topical. Recommended.
Bill O'Reilly recommended this book on TV last night. Who knew you two were in such sync?

Proves that at least one of us isn't a COMPLETE idiot.

Protobuilder · Post by **Protobuilder** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:16 am

Protobot wrote:How does a sawed off little chubby guy get so much power?

Doesn't someone just kick his ass along the way?

I really don't get it.

This 5'6" twat is the world's most feared drug lord?

HOW?

LOL

DARTH · Post by **DARTH** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:11 pm

tonkadtx wrote:I thought a "Power of the Dog" was very good. If anything it was too ambitious and he tried to tell the whole history of the drug war as a novel. I grew up in NY when all the crap was going on so i knew exactly who the characters where supposed to be. If you really want to enjoy it, read up on Roy DeMeo, Dominick Montiglio, Jimmy Coonen, and Mickey Featherstone as well as Iran-Contra.

I read about DeMeo and Montiglio in my early 20s. I am surprised he is not talked about more (DeMeo)?

Boris · Post by **Boris** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:17 pm

Remember when Crockett and Tubbs took out Calderone by themselves? That was awesome.

tonkadtx · Post by **tonkadtx** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:38 pm

I read about DeMeo and Montiglio in my early 20s. I am surprised he is not talked about more (DeMeo)?

This is the best book about DeMeo.

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/81840.Murder_Machine

He also features prominently in this book and all books about Kuklinski. But you have to take this with a grain of salt, because Kuklinski spun a lot of bullshit.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Ice-Man-Confe ... 0312938845

This is the definitive book about Coonan and Featherstone.

http://www.amazon.com/Westies-Inside-Ne ... he+westies

This is just a great all around NY mob flavor book from the time, about a crazy paddy who went around kidnapping Gambino's. Hard to find though.

http://www.amazon.com/TOUGH-GUY-Eddie-M ... 0786001682

Montiglio is mentioned in most of these books, most prominently, Murder Machine.

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