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Grandpa's Spells wrote:I like how the IGx thread starts right after the name is released. Like there's a mass shooter lotto and everybody's hoping the ideology comes out "right."

I guess if the Planned Parenthood shooter turns out to be a Muslim, there will be a thread on him, too.

The Venerable Bogatir X wrote:

Grandpa's Spells wrote:I like how the IGx thread starts right after the name is released. Like there's a mass shooter lotto and everybody's hoping the ideology comes out "right."

I guess if the Planned Parenthood shooter turns out to be a Muslim, there will be a thread on him, too.

Nah, you only call cops and white people 'murderers' and let all of color slide....you're every bit as predictable as the rest of us, Spells. Don't kid yourself, you have your own set of prejudices and they're as grotesque as anyone else's.

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

The Venerable Bogatir X wrote:

Grandpa's Spells wrote:I like how the IGx thread starts right after the name is released. Like there's a mass shooter lotto and everybody's hoping the ideology comes out "right."

I guess if the Planned Parenthood shooter turns out to be a Muslim, there will be a thread on him, too.

Nah, you only call cops and white people 'murderers' and let all of color slide....you're every bit as predictable as the rest of us, Spells. Don't kid yourself, you have your own set of prejudices and they're as grotesque as anyone else's.

Do you really think I in any way sympathize with mass shooters when they turn out to be brown?

My reaction to this guy is exactly the same as it is to every mass shooter, including the recent white one. That one killed an Iraq war veteran who was a police officer, but the cop was also guarding a Planned Parenthood, and was shot by a Christian, so apparently that short-circuits the commentary from the "conservatives" among us. Blue Lives Matter unless the narrative is inconvenient.

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:
On the whole, less white people were by spree killers than black folks killed each other this week. Try digging 10 million illegal, hidden guns out of US ghettos. Once you do, knife and baseball bat murders will make a big comeback

Welcome to the new normal. We are unable to get rid of guns in the U.S., just the logistics alone prevent it. Still knee jerk reactions to spree killing and ignoring the everyday murders

The Venerable Bogatir X wrote:The Obama's politicized comments ... <snip>

Yes I Have Balls wrote:

The Venerable Bogatir X wrote:The Obama's politicized comments ... <snip>

There's a familiar buzz word that someone on TV continues to shove into head so it oozes out of your fucking pie hole.

Name a single politician whose comments on any current event are NOT political.

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

The Venerable Bogatir X wrote:

Grandpa's Spells wrote:I like how the IGx thread starts right after the name is released. Like there's a mass shooter lotto and everybody's hoping the ideology comes out "right."

I guess if the Planned Parenthood shooter turns out to be a Muslim, there will be a thread on him, too.

Nah, you only call cops and white people 'murderers' and let all of color slide....you're every bit as predictable as the rest of us, Spells. Don't kid yourself, you have your own set of prejudices and they're as grotesque as anyone else's.

Do you really think I in any way sympathize with mass shooters when they turn out to be brown?

My reaction to this guy is exactly the same as it is to every mass shooter, including the recent white one. That one killed an Iraq war veteran who was a police officer, but the cop was also guarding a Planned Parenthood, and was shot by a Christian, so apparently that short-circuits the commentary from the "conservatives" among us. Blue Lives Matter unless the narrative is inconvenient.

Turdacious wrote:Muslim terrorists and militant groups have racked up a much higher bodycount, and their victims tend to be Muslims-- that's the inconvenient narrative.

A strange paradox is emerging in America: Overall violent-crime rates are down, but active shooter events — in which a person is trying to kill multiple people in a populated area — appear to be on the rise, according to Federal Bureau of Investigation statistics.

What did predict the number of mass shootings, however, was the prevalence of firearm ownership, Lankford found. Countries with higher firearm ownership rates had more public mass shootings...

"That wasn't a shocking finding, but I guess what surprised me was it showed up no matter how many or what type of statistical tests I ran," Lankford said. "It was kind of unshakable."

The link between firearm ownership and mass shootings remained even when the United States was removed from the analysis, Lankford said. For example, Switzerland and Finland, two relatively low-crime countries with high rates of personal gun ownership, had more mass shootings than would otherwise be expected.

Studies within the United States have also found links between gun ownership and gun crime. Research published in July found that states with more gun-owning households had higher rates of firearm assault, robbery, homicide and overall homicide compared with states with fewer gun owners.

Lankford also found that mass shootings in the United States tended to take place at schools, businesses or workplaces, whereas international mass shootings were most common at military installations.

"Looking back, it maybe makes sense, because that's where people have the easiest access to firearms in other countries," he said.

Discussions of firearm access usually lead to arguments about gun-control laws. But there may be another way, said Michael Siegel, a physician at the Boston University School of Public Health who researches gun violence. Like smoking-related diseases, gun deaths are a public health problem, Siegel told Live Science. And like cigarettes, guns could be susceptible to the same sort of cultural change that has banished smokers to outdoor alcoves and sent smoking rates plummeting.

Becoming infamous

Gun ownership can't be the entire story, though, given that overall violent crime is decreasing. There seems to be something that sets mass shootings apart.

One possibility is the American preoccupation with fame. Studies have found that Americans are more interested in fame than people of other nationalities are. A 2007 Pew Research survey of 18- to 25-year-olds found that about half said that getting famous was a top priority for their peers. Television shows increasingly promote fame as a value, research has found, and pop lyrics are becoming more narcissistic. A 2010 review of research studies found that modern college students display less empathy than students of the late 1970s. These studies fit a general pattern of research showing that narcissism is on the rise.

Simultaneously, Lankford said, the line between being famous and infamous is blurring. Scientists looked at the covers of People magazine issues dating from 1974 to 1998, and found that cover stars were increasingly featured for bad behavior — cheating, arrests, crime — rather than good acts (though there was a slight shift toward positivity after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks), according to their 2005 report.

Likewise, reality television and talk shows vault people into the limelight for bad behavior, Lankford said.

"There is a 'fame at any cost' mentality," he said. And many mass killers explicitly cite fame as their motivation: A quick Google search for "wanted to top Columbine" reveals multiple news articles about killers or would-be killers mentioning the 1999 school shooting as their inspiration.

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

Turdacious wrote:Muslim terrorists and militant groups have racked up a much higher bodycount, and their victims tend to be Muslims-- that's the inconvenient narrative.

No it isn't. Nobody is trying to draw equivalence between organized Muslim terrorism and random right-wing losers.

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

Turdacious wrote:Muslim terrorists and militant groups have racked up a much higher bodycount, and their victims tend to be Muslims-- that's the inconvenient narrative.

No it isn't. Nobody is trying to draw equivalence between organized Muslim terrorism and random right-wing losers.

Grandpa's Spells wrote:I like how the IGx thread starts right after the name is released. Like there's a mass shooter lotto and everybody's hoping the ideology comes out "right."

I guess if the Planned Parenthood shooter turns out to be a Muslim, there will be a thread on him, too.

TerryB wrote:As if you and every other lunatic on the left wasn't desperately hoping it was homegrown militiamen.

Grandpa's Spells wrote: I think guns should be a wee bit harder to get a hold of, I don't really care if the shooter is Christian or Muslim, right wing or left.

The Venerable Bogatir X wrote:

Grandpa's Spells wrote: I think guns should be a wee bit harder to get a hold of, I don't really care if the shooter is Christian or Muslim, right wing or left.

Uh, see Shaf's comment about the millions of illegal guns out there. Your desire to make guns tougher to get a hold of for the legit folks is what's nuts at its core. Yes, yes, I realize some of these mass shooters have legit purchased weapons, but that is not the *problem* on the whole WRT American gun violence and if this is a primer to our future, and our kid's future, you might want to consider getting armed yourself. Bad guys hate armed good guys.

TerryB wrote:As if you and every other lunatic on the left wasn't desperately hoping it was homegrown militiamen.

Turdacious wrote:Muslim terrorists and militant groups have racked up a much higher bodycount, and their victims tend to be Muslims...