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Two times realized was very close to a drinking problem. So decided to prioritize. And when the hangovers really began to hurt more than they were worth became a social drinker at best. 
My cousin is a redheaded german-mexican, we call him a beanerschnitzel
My cousin is a redheaded german-mexican, we call him a beanerschnitzel
Guess what feels just like love?Shafpocalypse Now wrote: broken heart lead me to a bad place.
I fell climbing a cliff in the Queen Charlotte Islands and wracked my back pretty good. So: Extreme sudden onset. The Vicodin worked well for the pain. It did not eliminate it, but it dulled it to a bearable level. I still walked with a stick, sort of bent over like an old Chinese man in one of those paintings. I could not walk more than one city block.Blaidd Drwg wrote:
Honest query..did it help your pain? for real? I find opiates work not super well for actual pain (muscle repair, hernia surgery, knee reconstruction etc). Was the back injury chronic or acute onset?
If I might also inquire, what was your daily dose and did you ever mix, say a cold Rainier on a summer day and couple 10mg Vics?
WOW..Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Kind of, I sustained a knee injury and could barely walk, then I got beaten up by a dick bouncer whom my stripper girlfriend was fucking on the side, and the combination of all that, plus booze, lead me to think I could shoot one of them as they left the club after closing time. There was some booze and some Vicodin involved.
Earlier that day I put 50 rounds through it and sighted it in.
The door opened and I thought "What the fuck am I doing?". I unloaded everything, put the gun in he trunk, and drove home and started getting my shit together the next day. Definitely a weird episode
Shafpocalypse Now wrote:The door opened and I thought "What the fuck am I doing?". I unloaded everything, BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! Bodies everywhere, just piling up. The barrel was red by the time my magazine was up. I surveyed my work, put the gun in he trunk, and drove home and started getting my shit together the next day.
My cousin is a redheaded german-mexican, we call him a beanerschnitzel
Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Getting my ass beat by that dude when I could barely walked was maybe the worst thing. About a year later when I was healed up and feeling mean again I returned the favor
Blaidd Drwg wrote:Guess what feels just like love?Shafpocalypse Now wrote: broken heart lead me to a bad place.
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I honestly thought this way until a few months back. But humor me: if addiction as disease is true, then even if as much as 10% gets/has the affliction, then the other 90% should not suffer by way of illegal activity that should not be illegal, which is one reason why I am pro legalization.powerlifter54 wrote: Believe addiction is more of a bad habit you learn by constant practice and calling it a disease is an excuse.
The Venerable Bogatir X wrote:I honestly thought this way until a few months back. But humor me: if addiction as disease is true, then even if as much as 10% gets/has the affliction, then the other 90% should not suffer by way of illegal activity that should not be illegal, which is one reason why I am pro legalization.powerlifter54 wrote: Believe addiction is more of a bad habit you learn by constant practice and calling it a disease is an excuse.
It's an utterly fascinating question that I think we are asking the wrong way. In some ways it is such a complicated soup that any one answer just fills out a little bit of the frame. On the one hand, PL54 is predictably regressive in calling it an excuse. For those who suffer from the experience of addiction, if anything, admitting that is so far removed from being an excuse as to be laughable. This is one area I think that 12 step really gets it right. While it sucks to admit to powerlessness in the face of something, you have only to face powerlessness once to realize..it's not admitting defeat, it's admitting the obvious.The Venerable Bogatir X wrote:I honestly thought this way until a few months back. But humor me: if addiction as disease is true, then even if as much as 10% gets/has the affliction, then the other 90% should not suffer by way of illegal activity that should not be illegal, which is one reason why I am pro legalization.powerlifter54 wrote: Believe addiction is more of a bad habit you learn by constant practice and calling it a disease is an excuse.
I don;'t think physical addiction is any more abnormal than any other strongly reinforced habituation, just that the addiction pattern is mal-adaptive in the same way that depression becomes maladpative.a particular abnormal condition, a disorder of a structure or function, that affects part or all of an organism. The causal study of disease is called pathology. Disease is often construed as a medical condition associated with specific symptoms and signs.
Not expecting you to answer this and I can reference anecdotal dog behavior WRT change of context that somewhat supports what you say: but I would like to know the breakdown of those who 'got out' of the military vs. those who stayed in the military. Nearly by default, as PL54 indicated, if you stay in, you likely stay away from getting piss popped....same if you move onto LEO, FD, ect.Grandpa's Spells wrote:Good stuff. I read, maybe here, about how after Vietnam, a lot of guys coming back who had been doing opiods came home and didn't bring a habit with them. The change of context, or perhaps return to the pre-drug context, let them leave it behind.
