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dead man walking wrote:you missed the point. deliberately, i expect.

Boris wrote:

Turdacious wrote:From one of the best things I've read in a long time.

Collective guilt doesn't work to change anyone's behavior. In the end, collective guilt, fashioned from bogus analysis and delight in stereotypes, is mere slander. It's a formula for constant antagonism and it's poisoning American politics.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles ... n-politics

I like his three laws of bogus analysis of groups, but his conclusion is weak. It's like saying that stereotypes are wrong, so don't stereotype those who stereotype.

He is right that guilt is worthless if it doesn't change behavior - like a cheating husband who feels guilty but keeps cheating. But, if there's not going to be a change, I'll take guilt as at least some form of punishment.

The Department of Justice has filed a lawsuit against a city in Eastern Michigan, saying it discriminated against a Muslim group by rejecting its application to build a mosque there.

The government’s lawsuit, filed on Thursday, said the denial of the application from the group, the American Islamic Community Center, was the first time in a decade that the planning commission in Sterling Heights . . . has denied a land use application for a house of worship.

. . . Muslims have been stymied for years in their quest to build a mosque on a four-acre plot of land in Basking Ridge

the federal Justice Department has filed a lawsuit against Bernards Township, arguing that its decision violated federal law and. . . discriminated against the applicants purely because of their Muslim faith. The complaint, filed last month, follows a lawsuit brought by Mr. Chaudry’s Islamic Society of Basking Ridge, which has been subjected to anti-Muslim fliers and social media posts and even vandalism.

The city’s statement said the community center’s application for a new mosque was denied because it was incompatible with adjoining uses and offered insufficient parking and because of concerns over the size and height of the building. The city denied that “emotional feelings tied to religious beliefs either for or against the applicant” played a part.

But the Department of Justice lawsuit claimed that the planning commission’s decision was “inconsistent” with others it had made on places of worship, and that the rejection was “based on anti-Muslim bias.”

Last year, the community center, a nonprofit Muslim group in neighboring Madison Heights, had sought permission to develop 4.35 acres of land in Sterling Heights, because most of its members lived there and because its facility in Madison Heights was too small, the lawsuit said.

The proposed building would have been approximately 20,500 square feet with 130 off-street parking spaces, a dome about 58 feet high and two 66-foot-tall spires — lower than features on nearby churches.

dead man walking wrote:thanks turd. i knew i could count on you.

Many of the public comments were directed at Mr. Chehab’s religion, the lawsuit said, included a plea to “remember 9/11,” statements that Christians would not be allowed to build a church in Iraq and statements that property values would drop if the mosque were built.

One resident held up a picture of a woman wearing a head covering and said he did not want to “be near people like this,” the lawsuit said. Another said the mosque might be used to store weapons, and another said Homeland Security should investigate the community center because “they’re cutting people’s heads off, they kill our soldiers,” the lawsuit said.

Mr. Chaudry’s Islamic Society of Basking Ridge,

dead man walking wrote:but was zoing the issue? i guess the courts will sort it out.

Many of the public comments were directed at Mr. Chehab’s religion, the lawsuit said, included a plea to “remember 9/11,” statements that Christians would not be allowed to build a church in Iraq and statements that property values would drop if the mosque were built.

One resident held up a picture of a woman wearing a head covering and said he did not want to “be near people like this,” the lawsuit said. Another said the mosque might be used to store weapons, and another said Homeland Security should investigate the community center because “they’re cutting people’s heads off, they kill our soldiers,” the lawsuit said.

johno wrote:If we take "Reported Hate Crimes" and subtract "Fake Hate Crimes," what's left?

johno wrote:If we take "Reported Hate Crimes" and subtract "Fake Hate Crimes," what's left?

johno wrote:The Hijab-grabbing and Church-burning "Hate Crimes" are turning out to be hoaxes. Anything left?

dead man walking wrote:dylann roof.

dead man walking wrote:as you have shown, adding the true trumprage crimes and subtracting the trumpedup claims is difficult math to do. you got people keen to make claims on both sides of the equation. my point is only that, sadly, hate abides.

can we agree that there has been an increase in tears shed? what that signifies requires the thinking of one above my pay grade.

dead man walking wrote:haven't listened yet, bd, but thanks.

for me there is a yuuuuge disconnect between the idea that right and trump are fighting the "elite" and then trump fills his cabinet with ceos and billionaires. that's populism?

dead man walking wrote: a yuuuuge disconnect between the idea that right and trump are fighting the "elite" and then trump fills his cabinet with ceos and billionaires. that's populism?

johno wrote:

dead man walking wrote: a yuuuuge disconnect between the idea that right and trump are fighting the "elite" and then trump fills his cabinet with ceos and billionaires. that's populism?

Thing 1 - The Right is not Trump and Trump is not The Right.

dead man walking wrote:

johno wrote:

dead man walking wrote: a yuuuuge disconnect between the idea that right and trump are fighting the "elite" and then trump fills his cabinet with ceos and billionaires. that's populism?

Thing 1 - The Right is not Trump and Trump is not The Right.

well, sorta, but Jeff Sessions, Mike Pence, Tom Price, Rick Perry . . .