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nafod wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:04 pm The war and occupation will be expensive and bloody

Fat Cat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:07 pm Most countries are facing a demographic cliff, and China and Russia in particular. But, that can cut both ways. Generals may look at the demographic trends and conclude that its futile, but then again, they may decide that NOW is the time to act while they still can.

Wild Bill wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:32 pm

nafod wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:04 pm The war and occupation will be expensive and bloody

Well, technicaly speakeng, Russia already invaded Ukraine.
I mean Crimea.
And that wasn't bloody.

And seriously, on half Ukrainian teritory Russian army will be met like liberators.

But again, invasion is ridiculous.

Wild Bill wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:29 am Perhaps this fool is beginning to realize that the Americans are simply using him.

Wild Bill wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:29 am
Perhaps this fool is beginning to realize that the Americans are simply using him.

If we examine the mental furniture of the average man," says William Trotter, the author of a comprehensive study of the social psychology of the individual,' "we shall find it made up of a vast number of judgments of a very precise kind upon subjects of very great variety, complexity, and difficulty. He will have fairly settled views upon the origin and nature of the universe, and upon what he will probably call its meaning; he will have conclusions as to what is to happen to him at death and after, as to what is and what should be the basis of conduct. He will know how the country should be governed, and why it is going to the dogs, why this piece of legislation is good and that bad. He will have strong views upon military and naval strategy, the principles of taxation, the use of alcohol and vaccination, the treatment of influenza, the prevention of hydrophobia, upon municipal trading, the teaching of Greek, upon what is permissible in art, satisfactory in literature, and hopeful in science. "The bulk of such opinions must necessarily be without rational basis, since many of them are concerned with problems admitted by the expert to be still unsolved, while as to the rest it is clear that the training and experience of no average man can qualify him to have any opinion upon them at all. The rational method adequately used would have told him that on the great majority of these questions there could be for him but one attitude-that of suspended judgment."

Sangoma wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:22 pm This goes back to Edward Bernays and his quote:
If we examine the mental furniture of the average man," says William Trotter, the author of a comprehensive study of the social psychology of the individual,' "we shall find it made up of a vast number of judgments of a very precise kind upon subjects of very great variety, complexity, and difficulty. He will have fairly settled views upon the origin and nature of the universe, and upon what he will probably call its meaning; he will have conclusions as to what is to happen to him at death and after, as to what is and what should be the basis of conduct. He will know how the country should be governed, and why it is going to the dogs, why this piece of legislation is good and that bad. He will have strong views upon military and naval strategy, the principles of taxation, the use of alcohol and vaccination, the treatment of influenza, the prevention of hydrophobia, upon municipal trading, the teaching of Greek, upon what is permissible in art, satisfactory in literature, and hopeful in science. "The bulk of such opinions must necessarily be without rational basis, since many of them are concerned with problems admitted by the expert to be still unsolved, while as to the rest it is clear that the training and experience of no average man can qualify him to have any opinion upon them at all. The rational method adequately used would have told him that on the great majority of these questions there could be for him but one attitude-that of suspended judgment."

nafod wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:06 am

Sangoma wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:22 pm This goes back to Edward Bernays and his quote:
If we examine the mental furniture of the average man," says William Trotter, the author of a comprehensive study of the social psychology of the individual,' "we shall find it made up of a vast number of judgments of a very precise kind upon subjects of very great variety, complexity, and difficulty. He will have fairly settled views upon the origin and nature of the universe, and upon what he will probably call its meaning; he will have conclusions as to what is to happen to him at death and after, as to what is and what should be the basis of conduct. He will know how the country should be governed, and why it is going to the dogs, why this piece of legislation is good and that bad. He will have strong views upon military and naval strategy, the principles of taxation, the use of alcohol and vaccination, the treatment of influenza, the prevention of hydrophobia, upon municipal trading, the teaching of Greek, upon what is permissible in art, satisfactory in literature, and hopeful in science. "The bulk of such opinions must necessarily be without rational basis, since many of them are concerned with problems admitted by the expert to be still unsolved, while as to the rest it is clear that the training and experience of no average man can qualify him to have any opinion upon them at all. The rational method adequately used would have told him that on the great majority of these questions there could be for him but one attitude-that of suspended judgment."

That's a beautiful quote.

I heard it referred to as Male Opinion Syndrome. No matter the profoundness of the ignorance, there is an opinion.

Fat Cat wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:09 am You Russbois would understand the US much better if you understood that the "average American" and the people who set American foreign policy are not the same group of people. The former has no understanding of global complexities but, no matter, neither do they have any power. The latter understands more of the complexities, but has no allegiance to the former and is in direct competition with them. That is why American foreign policy does not serve the interests of the "average American".

Sangoma wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:46 am Complete agree with the above, and it is probably true for the majority of countries.

Wild Bill wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:58 am I predict that in about a month, when invasion still not happened, Biden will make a loud statement about a diplomatic victory.
That it was only thanks to him that the invasion did not happen.

nafod wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:30 pm No invasion, no war. It’s pretty simple.

Wild Bill wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:49 pm

nafod wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:30 pm No invasion, no war. It’s pretty simple.

Then why there was not war after Crimea?
Or that was not true invasion? :)

Wild Bill wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:49 pm

nafod wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:30 pm No invasion, no war. It’s pretty simple.

Then why there was not war after Crimea?
Or that was not true invasion? :)