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Turdacious wrote:
You'll probably find a similar situation in any ballot measure signature drive-- those getting signatures are basically day laborers.

Defending Against SWAT Entries (Not What You Think)

Indiana is the first U.S. state to specifically allow force against officers, according to the Association of Prosecuting Attorneys in Washington, which represents and supports prosecutors. The National Rifle Association pushed for the law, saying an unfavorable court decision made the need clear and that it would allow homeowners to defend themselves during a violent, unjustified attack. Police lobbied against it.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...#ixzz1xZaAS2nC

Defending Against SWAT Entries (Not What You Think It Is)

The above bit of information hit Warrior Talk last week. Since then the moderators have been busy. The discussion of the law in Indiana, as expected, brought out all the emotional responses that one would expect. The usual 1776 Types with their F*** The Police attitudes (no different than a group of Black Panthers) come out of the woodwork waving their rifles in one hand and the Constitution in the other, and the seemingly fewer "Police Are Always Right No Matter What" types come out and argue their points. And then...there are those of us that have learned that such division is stupid, and arguing to either side, pointless.

First the law that says its OK to defend yourself against unjustified police violence. OK...so what. If you are becoming the victim of a crime and the bad guy happens to be wearing a uniform, of course you defend yourself. I am not saying anything against that. But understand...in the end, the drug dealer, armed robber, or kidnapper will not be able to make such claims. If you are a thug in need of SWATTING, the Indy law willnot save you.

Second, police response to the law in question. A SWAT team is like a military unit. You can moan all you want about the militarization of the police and all of that but your tears will not change a thing. Get used to that theme, BTW. When I was on SWAT our view is that "We will always win....even if we have to burn down your entire house by bombing it....we will win". Period.

I can see Mr. Bubba Bumpfire now, beating his chest and grabbing his Tapcoe'd SKS, and snarling that he has rights and no SWATdogs are gonna take him down. Good luck Bubba....Indy law or no Indy law...with that attitude I see you on the deck hog tied...or with a chest full of bullets. Your choice.

Not fair? Get over fair...I deal in reality friend. The reality is that you and your M4 or Custom AK are no match for ten trained guys, working in unison, and coming at a time of their choosing, to take you down. Notice that I have not even gotten into the "right or wrong" discussion. Why not? Because it is not relevant.

So what does that mean to you and me?

1). Don't live in an area where zero'dark thirty SWAT entries are common. Simple. If economic events require you to live there, work as much as you can (you can get by on 4 hours of sleep) and make enough money that you can go live in a normal neighborhood where the Ghetto bird and sirens are a rare event not an hourly thing.

I can hear it now, "Ohhhhh....Gabe is a racist". Whatever. I am past caring what irrelevant people call me. Me....I call myself a realist. Argue with me successfully about how many SWAT entries per capita there are in Bel Air as opposed to Nickerson Gardens. Don't want to have negative contacts with the cops, don't live in the war zones of America. So simple a caveman could figure it out.

2). To facilitate #1, make as much money as you can. Yes...strive. Yes...focus on THIS world. Yes, go get a motherfreaking job! Work your ass off. Watch what happens then. When you get a good paying job, you don't have to live with rats. When you don't have to live with rats, you have a nice home in a nice 'hood. When you have a nice home in a nice 'hood, your wife will love you more, and you won't care about Indiana laws, or SWAT, or any of that Concord Bridge Tin Foliery.

You will be too busy enjoying your life to care. Get the picture?

Wait....what is that? "Oh but Gabe....the economy....." Let me interrupt you....BULLSHIT! You would be surprised how easy it is to make a living. First....Just show up. And if you have to work on Sunday and miss church, do it. God does not want you living on Ramen noodles. I met a guy recently that got a job inspecting mattresses for warranty work. It pays well and its a steady job. I asked him how he got into that line of work. He said he lost his original job so he went out and got another one. It paid less, but it paid. It took him one week to get hired. I keep seeing the same theme.

3). Finally and perhaps most importantly, don't be a criminal that gets you on the SWAT radar in the first place. And when you read some article about some poor dudley-do-right getting victimized by those "evil jackbooted thugs", read between the lines and then consider the source as well. Anyone from a war hero to a Pastor of a church can be involved in criminal actions that get them noticed by the right people....or the wrong people.

Usually now we get the Waco story thrown in as "the example". Waco? OK...I'm tracking with you...that did not need to happen. But lets take it further...Koresh was just minding his own business when all of a sudden for no apparent reason the evil government woke up and decided to go kick his ass......

Really? You really believe that?

Even if Koresh did not warrant the response he got (which is probably a valid statement), he did plenty to get himself noticed by the wrong people. So.....DON'T GET NOTICED BY THE WRONG PEOPLE. That right there is, in fact, in your control.

So there it is. The formula for defending against a SWAT entry into your crib at 0300 HRS.

Get a job
Make money
Get a nice home where police activity is not needed
Make more money
Find a nice girl
Marry her and have lots of cool kids that will also make money

Or...one can sit around and watch their blood pressure rise because the wrong ghetto crib got hit by the cops and, "by golly", the possibility of SWAT coming and hitting theirs - right next to T-dog's Illicit Den of Recreational Pharmaceuticals, because they have no money, because they do not work, because they are too busy lining their walls with tin foil and going to militia meetings.

Which life do you want?

Ed Zachary wrote:I really can't argue with any of that.

It's not exactly cool but it's truthiness.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:

Ed Zachary wrote:I really can't argue with any of that.

It's not exactly cool but it's truthiness.

It's true and it represents Pure Evil at work. This guy needs to share a cage with Sandusky.

johno wrote:The key to not getting on Officer Friendly's bad side is the same as staying out of Homey's sights.
Avoid the ghetto. Avoid raucous bars known for fights. If you live in a shitty n'hood, get out ASAP.
Don't wear the uniform & car of the gangster. And in Seattle, eschew "99%-er" demonstrations.

AvoidoTM

johno wrote:

johno wrote:The key to not getting on Officer Friendly's bad side is the same as staying out of Homey's sights.
Avoid the ghetto. Avoid raucous bars known for fights. If you live in a shitty n'hood, get out ASAP.
Don't wear the uniform & car of the gangster. And in Seattle, eschew "99%-er" demonstrations.

AvoidoTM

^What a fookin' genius observation! Now backed up by a Real Life WarriorTM.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:

Ed Zachary wrote:I really can't argue with any of that.

It's not exactly cool but it's truthiness.

It's true and it represents Pure Evil at work.

johno wrote:

Blaidd Drwg wrote:

Ed Zachary wrote:I really can't argue with any of that.

It's not exactly cool but it's truthiness.

It's true and it represents Pure Evil at work.

BD, is your daily commute vehicle a Magic Pony? That never shits?

Blaidd Drwg wrote: it sucks to be black

johno wrote:

Blaidd Drwg wrote: it sucks to be black

It sucks to live in a crime-ridden n'hood, where too many cops patrol with an us vs. them attitude.

The seed of truth that Suarez wrote is that it is possible to work your way out of there. Unless you make "Ghetto" part of your identity.

"At about seven AM our house alarm went off. The homeowner was called. He called the person watching our house at the time, she reported that there was no break in that she knew of and started to check the doors and windows. The homeowner then called the alarm company and said that it was a false alarm. The cops arrived on the scene almost immediately. The dog was outside and the person at the house was on the other side of the house checking the basement door. Rectangle (our dog) ran toward the policemen on our porch. Possibly barking (noone has seen a police report. One of the officers pulled his gun and fired at him point blank. FOUR TIMES. Luckily, he was only shot twice and will hopefully recover after surgery.

The homeowner talked to the Police Sergeant and he confirmed that they knew it was a false alarm. The officers on the scene left before anyone who lives there arrived. The Sergeant said that this behavior was protocol. My roomate is left with a costly vet bill and no explanation for what happened."

More than 100,000 dashcam videos have disappeared from the Seattle Police Department, prompting city investigators to recommend the department do a better job of tracking and saving those videos.

For more than a year, KOMO News fought for access to the department's dashcam videos and video catalog to see if they show questionable behavior by officers.

Denied again and again, KOMO eventually sued.

As Seattle defends itself against that lawsuit, on Wednesday the city auditor released a report detailing the problems with how SPD handles dashcam videos and how it responds to the public's request to see them.

Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/local/komo/art ... z1yYkvTO8D

baffled wrote:Seattle PD... geez.

More than 100,000 dashcam videos have disappeared from the Seattle Police Department, prompting city investigators to recommend the department do a better job of tracking and saving those videos.

For more than a year, KOMO News fought for access to the department's dashcam videos and video catalog to see if they show questionable behavior by officers.

Denied again and again, KOMO eventually sued.

As Seattle defends itself against that lawsuit, on Wednesday the city auditor released a report detailing the problems with how SPD handles dashcam videos and how it responds to the public's request to see them.

Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/local/komo/art ... z1yYkvTO8D

Batboy2/75 wrote:

baffled wrote:Seattle PD... geez.

More than 100,000 dashcam videos have disappeared from the Seattle Police Department, prompting city investigators to recommend the department do a better job of tracking and saving those videos.

For more than a year, KOMO News fought for access to the department's dashcam videos and video catalog to see if they show questionable behavior by officers.

Denied again and again, KOMO eventually sued.

As Seattle defends itself against that lawsuit, on Wednesday the city auditor released a report detailing the problems with how SPD handles dashcam videos and how it responds to the public's request to see them.

Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/local/komo/art ... z1yYkvTO8D

Fuck you peons, the police are the law!

This is a prime example of why I hate the police. When the chips are down they cover up and protect the vultures within their ranks. If any officer does the right thing and steps forward to point out wrong doing, the boys in blue do everything to destroy that person.

Turdacious wrote:What exactly was wrong with that? The Officer was friendly, and confirmed that the guy was not a threat.

milosz wrote:I generally hate cops, but I hate the fucktards who bait them to make a cheap point even more.