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Both are serial liars, so we can take that off the table.

Under Hillary's watch as Secretary of State, the wheels totally came off the bus in the Middle East.
From Iraq, to Egypt, to Libya, to Syria...our friends/allies (those not murdered by mobs) trust us less and our enemies fear us less. Total Fail.*


*Although, in 2010, she did partner with the UN to provide women in Third World countries with cookstoves, lessening pollution. Winning!
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Pinky wrote:
Grandpa's Spells wrote:Pretty impressive editorial. I'm a little surprised we've had zero elected Republicans endorse Hillary.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html
You're surprised they haven't endorsed a Democratic candidate with a majority unfavorable rating who would never qualify for another security clearance through the normal process?
That was a stupid thing to do. It isn't in the same universe of stupid of what Trump has done.
Both of the major-party candidates are "uniquely unqualified to serve as president, in experience and temperament."
I don't think you know what "uniquely" means.
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johno wrote:Both are serial liars, so we can take that off the table.

Under Hillary's watch as Secretary of State, the wheels totally came off the bus in the Middle East.
From Iraq, to Egypt, to Libya, to Syria...our friends/allies (those not murdered by mobs) trust us less and our enemies fear us less. Total Fail.*


*Although, in 2010, she did partner with the UN to provide women in Third World countries with cookstoves, lessening pollution. Winning!

Do you trust Trump to run this country. Not "do you hate Hillary", everyone does...do you believe that this man can actually run the country responsibly?

This is not a lessor of two evils query, this is a simple, can we trust this man?

Choosing between a shit sandwich and a shit falafel is not an interesting line of discussion, there's a simple and rather obvious answer for most people in that based on nothing but whim and a misguided faith that they have the relevant facts. IDC about that, I'm truly curious as to who votes FOR Trump and why other than the Faustian dilemmas above.
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johno wrote: Under Hillary's watch as Secretary of State, the wheels totally came off the bus in the Middle East.
From Iraq, to Egypt, to Libya, to Syria...our friends/allies (those not murdered by mobs) trust us less and our enemies fear us less. Total Fail.*
do you truly believe the u.s. sec of state had the power to control the mid-east?
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Grandpa's Spells wrote:
Pinky wrote:
Grandpa's Spells wrote:Pretty impressive editorial. I'm a little surprised we've had zero elected Republicans endorse Hillary.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html
You're surprised they haven't endorsed a Democratic candidate with a majority unfavorable rating who would never qualify for another security clearance through the normal process?
That was a stupid thing to do. It isn't in the same universe of stupid of what Trump has done.
It's far worse than anything Trump has done (so far). She was "extremely careless" with classified information simply because the rules that everyone else has to deal with were inconvenient for her Highness. The Federal government won't even give you access to confidential information without making it very clear (through repeated, boring training) that you can't do anything close to what she did. But she's Hillary Fucking Clinton, and she'll send classified information through insecure channels whenever (or wherever) she wants to. Anyone else would have (at least) had their clearance pulled.
Both of the major-party candidates are "uniquely unqualified to serve as president, in experience and temperament."
I don't think you know what "uniquely" means.[/quote]

Yes, I do. What Hillary did, her reasoning for doing it, and her dishonest responses to the whole affair should disqualify her from having the highest security clearance in the country. No Presidential candidate, including Trump, has ever done anything remotely similar (that we know of). She is unqualified in a way that is quite unique.

Trump is also unqualified in a very unique way. He's a rash, crass, self-promoting blowhard. Everything the WP piece says about him is true. While I do believe that what Hillary has done is worse than any of the shit Trump has said, it's not worse than what I'm afraid Trump might do.
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One of the really rich bits that amuses those of us in the industry, is the notion of Trump as a successful developer.

You can't argue that he's not a successful self promoter but the whole idea of him as this brilliant wheeler dealer real estate mogul is truly laughable. Developers share some very similar traits...none of those traits translate well to leadership or governance or even deal making.
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No Presidential candidate, including Trump, has ever done anything remotely similar (that we know of). She is unqualified in a way that is quite uniq
The proverbial anonymous sources (politician with an axe to grind it point make) have been leaking top secret material to the press since there was top secret material. That is a release of information to people with neither the clearance nor the need to know. In fact, the government had a need for them to not know.

Hilary didn't do that. She sent class info to people with clearance and need to know. It was how she sent it that was wrong. A fuck up, but saying that is worse than purposefully leaking classified info to the press or to the hot biographer you were banging? No way.
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I'll vote for whichever candidate pledges to bring back the United Provinces of Kettlebellistan.
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The idea that "the wheels fell off" the Middle East only during and because of Hillary as SoS is amazing and hilarious. Yep, it was definitely a stable and prosperous region from 2001-2008!

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nafod wrote:
No Presidential candidate, including Trump, has ever done anything remotely similar (that we know of). She is unqualified in a way that is quite uniq
The proverbial anonymous sources (politician with an axe to grind it point make) have been leaking top secret material to the press since there was top secret material. That is a release of information to people with neither the clearance nor the need to know. In fact, the government had a need for them to not know.

Hilary didn't do that. She sent class info to people with clearance and need to know. It was how she sent it that was wrong. A fuck up, but saying that is worse than purposefully leaking classified info to the press or to the hot biographer you were banging? No way.
It's not a "fuck up". It's a willful disregard for the laws intended to protect classified information. And you're wrong about her only emailing people who had clearance. She emailed whatever to whoever she wanted, and that did include sending classified information to people who did not have clearance.

While Clinton's actions may or may not be as bad as what Petraeus did, Petraeus isn't about to be given the highest security clearance in the country.
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what terrible thing occurred because clinton used a private server?
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It's disturbing how a discussion of arguably the biggest buffoon and the greatest threat to national security to ever lead a major ticket turns to tepid debate about his freakishly unlikable, arrogant and somewhat cavalier rival. How Evil can Hillary be that anyone with a working cortex is actually less concerned that we could end up with a Punchline to a bad joke carrying the football? Even Hitler would be insulted by the comparison.
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So tell us, BD, how did this buffoon of buffoons, this clown at which you and your buddies chortle, accidentally acquire several billion dollars of assets on several continents, and maintain it, despite ups and downs, for 40 years?

How is it that he managed to stumble his way into 4 kids who are, by any objective measure, amazingly well-raised?

How did this showman, the biggest buffoon we've ever seen, manage to survive an extremely tough, national primary fight against more than a dozen contenders, with minimal backing from the establishment, the media, and big dollar donors?

Just, hot air and bluster?

The derision from the equivalent of high school quarterbacks is hilarious. He's done more, achieved more, earned more, fought harder, won longer, than all of us put together. Too bad we're all not as big of buffoons as Trump and his accidental position, wealth and power.
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I can't wait till the Clinton Foundation emails come out. Tax evasion, money laundering, taking bribes from corporations and foreign countries(treason). The excuses for that will be delicious.
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Blaidd Drwg wrote:
johno wrote:Both are serial liars, so we can take that off the table.

Under Hillary's watch as Secretary of State, the wheels totally came off the bus in the Middle East.
From Iraq, to Egypt, to Libya, to Syria...our friends/allies (those not murdered by mobs) trust us less and our enemies fear us less. Total Fail.*


*Although, in 2010, she did partner with the UN to provide women in Third World countries with cookstoves, lessening pollution. Winning!

Do you trust Trump to run this country.
No. I trust neither candidate.

Hillary is a grasping, venal politician, who has proven her contempt for this nation's secrets. As others have mentioned, her security clearance should be pulled and she should never again be allowed in public office.

Trump is a Wild Card. Some of his public statements & behaviors make me doubt his sanity. (I think it's more likely that he is merely arrogant, like Herman Cain, Fred Thompson, and Scott Walker - former Republican candidates who greatly underestimated the demands of the candidacy & the job.)

Against this, I balance whatever business success he has enjoyed...it makes me suspect that he's sane & competent to manage a big organization.

Also I do think Trump is the last chance to control our border. That's a mark in his favor.

I will continue to watch and learn. Right now I would not vote for either candidate.
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Hebrew Hammer wrote: Hillary's e-mail program was reckless, but she is smart, experienced, and moderate-left.
So, counselor, you admit she is a criminal?
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You can lead a horticulture......

I'll not bother trying to explain how a wealthy white man rides the grease trail of money and bluster and bullshit to a develop a recognizable and yet completely shabby brand of shit hotels. Proto, if you think his rhetoric is compelling there is nothing any of us could do to help.

HOWEVER...

How he "made his money" is easy to understand once you realize, He's a "developer." Developer is synonymous with gambler...except gamblers use their own money. Contrary to your assumptions, you do not have to be bright to be one. I know several dozen, some of whom have fortunes less than a 10th of his to ones that dwarf his fortune many times over. The single biggest characteristic? being willing to lose other people's money. Now if you think this translates to government...you're right. It does. Spending other people's paper is job one of the POTUS. But what about his brilliance as a "developer"...Um No suck thing. Developers are not even decent managers, they are magicians at getting financing. Every other major element of the vision is offloaded to someone who know what they fuck they are doing.

In the development world, success comes down to making a few lucky hits here and there and while off loading responsibility for the larger preponderance of projects which are always disaster. Donald like all other Developers, is in the money losing business. He's lost far far more money that he's made all while surrounded, as all developers are, by a muliti-million dollar legal, planning, lobbying, engineering and architecture teams. He writes checks, he makes a few forgone conclusion type decisions and he establish relationships. He walked into the room with those. The relationships that are most telling are the number of people he's burned over the years.

So yeah...he's had good luck. He was well staked and he knew the right people. If you cant fall upward off of that backing, you're a fucking idiot.
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Blaidd Drwg wrote: So yeah...he's had good luck. He was well staked and he knew the right people. If you cant fall upward off of that backing, you're a fucking idiot.
I yield to your superior knowledge of developers, in specifics.
However, there must be a considerable failure rate, no? Trump is just lucky? I tend to doubt it.

Re: Hillary - much is made of the boost Trump got from his Father's financial support. But there's no reason to think H could have succeeded, except for Bill's coattails.
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Herv100 wrote:I can't wait till the Clinton Foundation emails come out. Tax evasion, money laundering, taking bribes from corporations and foreign countries(treason). The excuses for that will be delicious.
are you equally keen to see trump's tax returns?

i'm keen to see whether he follows the florida court order and pays subcontractors his stiffed

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... /85297274/

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TerryB wrote:Just, hot air and bluster?
he's a reality tv guy, the kim kardashian of politicians.

give him credit for having a feel for what sells, but that gift doesn't qualify him to run the country
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dead man walking wrote:
Herv100 wrote:I can't wait till the Clinton Foundation emails come out. Tax evasion, money laundering, taking bribes from corporations and foreign countries(treason). The excuses for that will be delicious.
are you equally keen to see trump's tax returns?

i'm keen to see whether he follows the florida court order and pays subcontractors his stiffed

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... /85297274/

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you've already got her convicted. well done.

did you find obama's kenyan birth certificate while collecting evidence?
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What's funny is, you'd still want to vote for her if it came out and she was charged.
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Dmw, you were an Occupy Wall Street supporter. Why are you not asking for Hilary's Wall Street speech transcripts like your boy Bernie was?
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