Didn't Build That

[Turdacious]

No, what he said wasn't a mistake it was 100% verifiably accurate. And LOL at "should have known" that Republicans have no loyalty to fact or common sense. Nice admission dummy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_%28pu ... lations%29

People who pay attention to elections (i.e. people who actually vote) know this.

[TerryB]

It's behavior that's pretty much the antithesis of what good democracy should be all about.

We're much better served by the honesty of a man like Mitt Romney, who only says what he deeply believes.

[Herv100]

The whole statement is just as bad, IMO. Just a bunch of collectivist, statist rhetoric. What he is essentially saying is "You couldn't do shit without the govt as it exists now, so keep the taxes coming. And don't be mad if we raise taxes and increase the size of govt even more."

No, it's pointing out the blatant fact that we are an interdependent society where even the successful individual depends on the group for the basic predicates of success.

I disagree. Your statement is true, but is so much of a captain obvious statement that there is no reason for it to uttered to anyone over 3rd grade, much less on a presidential campaign trail. His was a thinly veiled statement about the role and scope of the federal government, and what fuels our government: taxes.

Also regarding your statement, there is a big difference between the "group"(family, community, state) that predicates success, as you put it, and our modern Federal Government.

[Fat Cat]

I disagree. Your statement is true, but is so much of a captain obvious statement that there is no reason for it to uttered to anyone over 3rd grade, much less on a presidential campaign trail. His was a thinly veiled statement about the role and scope of government, and what fuels our government: taxes.

You can disagree all you want but the fact that Republican pundits thought they could make some political hay from it proves that your assessment is wrong: it's not obvious enough to some folks that they actually were misguided enough to try and dispute it. And *laughter* at it being "thinly veiled", it wasn't veiled at all. It was a blatant and accurate statement of the role of government.

Also regarding your statement, there is a big difference between the "group"(family, community, state) that predicates success, as you put it, and our modern Federal Government.

Dude, guess who the "state" is. Yeah, that's right. You, Herv100, personally and undeniably depend on the state. It's not the only factor, probably not even the most important factor or even top 10, but its a factor and it's childish to pretend otherwise.

[johno]

We don't need to argue about the context. The transcript is here:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-off ... e-virginia

But you know what, I’m not going to see us gut the investments* that grow our economy to give tax breaks to me or Mr. Romney or folks who don’t need them. So I’m going to reduce the deficit in a balanced way. We’ve already made a trillion dollars’ worth of cuts. We can make another trillion or trillion-two, and what we then do is ask for the wealthy to pay a little bit more. (Applause.) And, by the way, we’ve tried that before -- a guy named Bill Clinton did it. We created 23 million new jobs, turned a deficit into a surplus, and rich people did just fine. We created a lot of millionaires.

There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

*Investments = government programs & regulations mentioned earlier in his speech.

If you are wealthy and you don't agree with Obama's tax increase on the top tax bracket, it's because you are selfish & ungrateful.
"You didn't build it," and "You don't need it," means Obama gets to take it to invest as he sees fit.

*********

I agree with this part of his speech:

What's at stake is a decision between two fundamentally different views about where we take the country right now.

[Fat Cat]

Congress passes the budget, not the president. And LOL at a public worker worrying about the top 1%.

[dead man walking]

interesting analysis of obama's statement, differentiating it from similar remarks by elizabeth warren.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... -that.html

[johno]

Congress passes the budget, not the president. And LOL at a public worker worrying about the top 1%.

More substantive argument from Fatty. The budget is politically promoted & then signed by... Who?

PS - I'm a public worker who doesn't think the top 1% ripped me off.

[Grandpa's Spells]

interesting analysis of obama's statement, differentiating it from similar remarks by elizabeth warren.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... -that.html

I don't know. It seems impossible that anyone who ends up President is going to pretty readily acknowledge the role of luck in where other people end up.

[Fat Cat]

Congress passes the budget, not the president. And LOL at a public worker worrying about the top 1%.

More substantive argument from Fatty. The budget is politically promoted & then signed by... Who?

PS - I'm a public worker who doesn't think the top 1% ripped me off.

[johno]

Devastating. Now, back to Eighth Grade Civics class for you.

[Fat Cat]

LOL @ thinking that you have a point. The president has the option of signing or not signing, the budget is made and passed by congress. For that matter, so are the tax rates you seem to know so little about. I'm sorry you didn't know that and lacked the grace to acknowledge it. Oh I forget, you hate Obama so you just manufacture a truth that suits you. That must be neat.

Meanwhile, nothing you have written on this thread makes any impact on the simple fact that individuals and business both thrive and fail in the context of a society which is financed through taxation. Until you have a better idea, you should probably stop supporting politicians that literally burn money in stupid wars,

[Protobuilder]

The fact that people are arguing over that single line instead of actual policy or perhaps tearing their hair over the fact that it's either this joker or the bigger joker on the other side of the aisle makes me think that the illuminati hiding behind the curtain are laughing their asses off at having solidified their base of power for another three generations.

The take away here is that Axelrod screwed up by letting Obama go off teleprompter in the current 24-hour media cycle. He's brighter than that and you likely won't see something like this again.

[Turdacious]

The fact that people are arguing over that single line instead of actual policy or perhaps tearing their hair over the fact that it's either this joker or the bigger joker on the other side of the aisle makes me think that the illuminati hiding behind the curtain are laughing their asses off at having solidified their base of power for another three generations.

We're smack dab in the middle of an election cycle-- that's how it works.

[Yes, I'm drunk]

It's behavior that's pretty much the antithesis of what good democracy should be all about.

We're much better served by the honesty of a man like Mitt Romney, who only says what he deeply believes.

You underestimate the connivance of the cultural Marxist.

They rig the game to make sure that whoever you vote for, they always win.

Just like the devil, their greatest trick was in making you think they don't exist.

[johno]

LOL @ thinking that you have a point. The president has the option of signing or not signing, the budget is made and passed by congress. For that matter, so are the tax rates you seem to know so little about.

Devastating. Now, back to Eighth Grade Civics class for you.

[Herv100]

Obamas statement was about the size/role of government and taxes

No, it's pointing out the blatant fact that we are an interdependent society where even the successful individual depends on the group for the basic predicates of success.

I disagree. His statement was about the role and scope of the federal government, and what fuels our government: taxes.

You can disagree all you want(*brings up something about Republicans*) It was a blatant and accurate statement of the role of government.

[Turdacious]

It's behavior that's pretty much the antithesis of what good democracy should be all about.

We're much better served by the honesty of a man like Mitt Romney, who only says what he deeply believes.

You underestimate the connivance of the cultural Marxist.

They rig the game to make sure that whoever you vote for, they always win.

Just like the devil, their greatest trick was in making you think they don't exist.

[Gene]

i hear romney is now featuring small business success stories and, hold on, it turns out a bunch of them benefit from govt support in one form or another.

no one is going it alone.

Either we accept Obama's Crony Capitalism or we live in a Somalia like situation?

Romney ain't much better than Obama but is the perfect alternative to Obama required for us to chose them?

[Gene]

I disagree. Your statement is true, but is so much of a captain obvious statement that there is no reason for it to uttered to anyone over 3rd grade, much less on a presidential campaign trail. His was a thinly veiled statement about the role and scope of government, and what fuels our government: taxes.

You can disagree all you want but the fact that Republican pundits thought they could make some political hay from it proves that your assessment is wrong: it's not obvious enough to some folks that they actually were misguided enough to try and dispute it. And *laughter* at it being "thinly veiled", it wasn't veiled at all. It was a blatant and accurate statement of the role of government.

The Republicans point this out because Obama is "out of touch". Not surprising - he never had a career outside of Politics.

I understand that some folks hate conservatives and Romney. Why they like Obama? I don't know. The man is a walking talking example of the Peter Principle.

[Gene]

interesting analysis of obama's statement, differentiating it from similar remarks by elizabeth warren.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... -that.html

Obama is indicating a possibility that the wealthy should be taxed … because their wealth is to a great extent an accident of fate.

That's loser thinking, DWM.

You do your homework, you stack your advantages, you set up your opportunities and you make your breaks. You minimize the effects of random chance.

Ain't no such thing as a fair fight.

[dead man walking]

Ain't no such thing as a fair fight.

isn't that obama's point?

[Gene]

Ain't no such thing as a fair fight.

isn't that obama's point?

That we need more "market fairness"?

If Obama is about "making the Market fair" why does he surround himself with so many Corporate Cronies? Jeff Immelt and Warren Buffet are not "working class Americans". Why hasn't Obama asked General Electric to "pay its fair share" of the taxes on the $14 billion in bucks that they've earned ($9 billion of which is from GE outsourced income) or for Warren Buffett's company to settle its back tax bills with the IRS? He couldn't take a little time out of his "meetings" with those two to ask them to pay up?

Why did Obama sign a "Food Safety" bill that favors Big Ag over local farmers? Why did he sign the Dodd/Frank bill that was in part written by Bank Lobbyists? Why did he help pro-Saudi Governments in Libya and Egypt and is helping pro Saudi "rebels" in Syria? Sounds to me like he's picking winners - hardly being fair.

Seems like Obama isn't about market fairness, is he?

[Fat Cat]

Obamas statement was about the size/role of government and taxes

No, it's pointing out the blatant fact that we are an interdependent society where even the successful individual depends on the group for the basic predicates of success.

I disagree. His statement was about the role and scope of the federal government, and what fuels our government: taxes.

You can disagree all you want(*brings up something about Republicans*) It was a blatant and accurate statement of the role of government.

I don't really understand this post but I am going to assume you had a point you wanted to make and give you another shot.

[Pinky]

i hear romney is now featuring small business success stories and, hold on, it turns out a bunch of them benefit from govt support in one form or another.

no one is going it alone.

Either we accept Obama's Crony Capitalism or we live in a Somalia like situation?

Romney ain't much better...

Romney is actually a crony capitalist.

The most reasonable choice I see on election day is to go to work, stay home, or do whatever else you would normally do. Then sit down in the evening with a nice drink, turn on the TV and laugh at the circus.