How to raise an atheist in seven easy steps

[Kraj 2.0]

snerk.

Oh Kraj...remember when you were funny? neither do I but I've heard stories.

build a house? that's rich..Your little spurts are now so far off target that they are probably amusing for those who here who know me in real life.

Uh huh.

Let's put it this way: I mean more to this world AND this forum than you ever will. That's for damn sure. You might have your buddies around here that appreciate your input and some family at home that puts up with your bullshit, but you're a nobody and you'll always be a nobody. No wonder you're so angry and frustrated.

[Blaidd Drwg]

I love you Kraj..

You mean the world to me.

[Holland Oates]

. . . Let's put it this way: I mean more to this world AND this forum than you ever will. That's for damn sure. . . . .

LMFAO

That is kind of sad.

[Fat Cat]

*group grope*

[Holland Oates]

Pirate/Ninja/Astronauts are the backbone of IGX/society.

LOL

[Thud]

A lot of you religious guys seem to relate religion to morals. That's like relating school to intelligence, or beef to dinner. Related does not mean equated, and you can certainly have one without the other. That should be obvious.

I agree that atheism is the same as religion, as they both carry certitude in the face of the infinitely unknowable. But for whatever reasons, humans seem direly uncomfortable with intractable and awe inspiring uncertainty.

However, if the original question is modified slightly to read, how do you raise someone to not be religious, the answer is easy, just don't inculcate them. "Religion" is not intuitive, while spirituality (a questioning) might be. Religion is merely a cultural disposition, like nationalism, tribalism, racism, jingoism, and fan-boy homerism. Thinking there's "truth" in any of that is the currency of fools.

[Blaidd Drwg]

Pirate/Ninja/Astronauts are the backbone of IGX/society.

LOL

Don't forget our very own IGX Genesis Myth......Farce Recon

[Jonny Canuck]

Kraj needs a hug and a pat on the back!

xoxox
Jonny Canuck

[The Crawdaddy]

Interesting discussion, and while I will keep my personal opinions to myself, I am curious about one thing.

BD: What if you're wrong? Then what?

[Blaidd Drwg]

Interesting discussion, and while I will keep my personal opinions to myself, I am curious about one thing.

BD: What if you're wrong? Then what?

Wrong about which? The absence of a creator? the absence of a Jewish/Christian God?/the lack of Shinto deities/ the absence of a a Sun God Ra?/the lack of an all powerful unifying and self aware force in the universe?

You'd have to consult the various experts in those religions to ascertain consequences for my immortal soul. The religion I was raised in presents a number of possible scenarios from nothing (hell is already here on earth) to some kind of eternal torment.

or do you mean what if I'm wrong and Kraj really is a Ninja/Pirate? then I love him all the more.

[Thud]

Interesting that Th@d and @ both disappeared and reappeared at the same time. Almost like th@y're the same thing.

If Gene preferred your kids to his mom he's be your priest. And for all we know he does, and is.

[The Crawdaddy]

Seriously, I'm not trying to pull your chain, just asking. What if you are wrong, and there is a g(G)od (creator, supreme being, whatever name you want to give him/her, and he/she/it gives a crap about us)? Do you ever consider that and the potential consequences (if any) of disbelief?

Since you've apparently discounted the perspectives of the religions you were exposed to, just wondered if you've considered the fact that they may all be wrong (since, you know, they are "man's interpretation" anyways) and that there may be an alternative between the religion(s) presented by mankind on earth, and the "there is no higher being" belief of atheism?

You're not wrong about Kraj, either. He's a douchebag. Plain and simple.

[Blaidd Drwg]

My answer was serious.

Among the possible gods I can find no single argument worthy of the remotest consideration. If for the sake of argument, there were an all powerful force...a GOD or GODS who had omnipotence or omnipresence, I assume HE SHE IT Or THEY would not fault me for looking at the evidence, doing the math and deciding to live this life as if it is the one and only shot. If on teh other hand, HE SHE IT or THEY was a vengeful fucker who wants me to kneel before HESHEITor THEY on the say so of some raggedy men bone clinkers...well then, that's an operation I'd not do too well in.

With the exception of DMT, I haven't given the concept much mental energy since about the 8th grade.

[The Crawdaddy]

I'm cool with that, and that's a better/more direct answer (probably because I asked the question better the second time). Was just curious.

[Blaidd Drwg]

I will allow this...there's a Muslim Palestinian dude who runs a bunch of coffee houses in town and he's gotta be one of the nicest most generous people I've met...get in an elevator with him and he'll talk your ear off about how God is Love..literally..

the feeling and act of Loving is in fact the presence of God and that it's that simple. Love and you are with God. Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist etc...no matter. God is Love pure and simple, that's it.

I can find no fault in his argument even if I don't believe it.

[The Crawdaddy]

It is a compelling argument, and rather flawless in its simplicity.

[Turdacious]

Interesting that Th@d and @ both disappeared and reappeared at the same time. Almost like th@y're the same thing.

If Gene preferred your kids to his mom he's be your priest. And for all we know he does, and is.

It actually thinks that it will help itself by combining the standard @ insult with talking about its@lf in third p@rson. Still as r@volting as usual.

[Kraj 2.0]

You guys can call me a d-bag all you want, but at least I'm honest about my own fallibility and don't claim that I've uncovered life's mysteries with my reasoning abilities. I know it's cool and all to be the pseudo-intellectual hipster-type who sits in coffee shops and quotes syphilitic French and German homo philosophers to make a case against the existence of God, but that's something I won't be joining you delusional fuckwads in. I'm way too honest with myself and how I live life to pretend that taking an Intro to Philosophy course in college and listening to a few Tool albums while smoking kush makes me capable of unraveling life's mysteries. You look at me and see a d-bag. I look at you guys and see a bunch of white-trash pompous tards who consider "being a man of the world" as going to Olive Garden on the regular. Humble yourselves, losers. Drop the protein shakes, get out from under your obese, disgusting wives, and experience the wisdom of the world first hand instead of trusting a bunch of faggot "Great Men of the World" to indoctrinate you into it. Then you'll understand where I'm coming from.

[Thud]

Interesting that Th@d and @ both disappeared and reappeared at the same time. Almost like th@y're the same thing.

If Gene preferred your kids to his mom he's be your priest. And for all we know he does, and is.

It actually thinks that it will help itself by combining the standard @ insult with talking about its@lf in third p@rson. Still as r@volting as usual.

When men speak of women, Turd thinks of Gene. When men speak of metaphysics, Turd thinks of Gene. When men speak of Gene, Turd thinks of Gene naked.

Turd, try to let go of Gene for once. Or just ask him for a hug.

[Turdacious]

You are one creepy f@ck.

[Thud]

Stop playing coy, just ask him.

[Blaidd Drwg]

You guys can call me a d-bag all you want, but at least I'm honest about my own fallibility and don't claim that I've uncovered life's mysteries with my reasoning abilities. I know it's cool and all to be the pseudo-intellectual hipster-type who sits in coffee shops and quotes syphilitic French and German homo philosophers to make a case against the existence of God, but that's something I won't be joining you delusional fuckwads in. I'm way too honest with myself and how I live life to pretend that taking an Intro to Philosophy course in college and listening to a few Tool albums while smoking kush makes me capable of unraveling life's mysteries. You look at me and see a d-bag. I look at you guys and see a bunch of white-trash pompous tards who consider "being a man of the world" as going to Olive Garden on the regular. Humble yourselves, losers. Drop the protein shakes, get out from under your obese, disgusting wives, and experience the wisdom of the world first hand instead of trusting a bunch of faggot "Great Men of the World" to indoctrinate you into it. Then you'll understand where I'm coming from.

Really? This is soft soft stuff.

Everyone here knows you're a cunt, just go back to trying to be funny. Really...right now you're less than Rant at his worst. It's patently obvious you've never done a damn thing in your life, let alone build a house, raise a family, fix a car...all those beyond your capabilities aspirations you accuse others of lacking. I can smell from here, you wouldn't know a framing hammer from a shingle ripper, ya soft cunt.

[powerlifter54]

Everyone needs to work out their own salvation.

And whether to Bench, MP, or both.

[baffled]

I'm going to get this over with and say that you're all like Hitler.

Shut 'er down.

[Blaidd Drwg]

I'm going to get this over with and say that you're all like Hitler.

Shut 'er down.

hebrew hammer went there on page 3, i believe, yours is a more solid offering by far.