Occupy Wall Street

[The Ginger Beard Man]

Bwahahahaha

That's my dilemma exactly.

No its not. You've seen my pictures. They are beyond hippies.

[PC Polar Circle Person]

OK, so the Hippies are right but you guys can't agree with them because they are Hippies? WTF???

[PC Polar Circle Person]

So it goes like this: I am label X so I only agree with ideas that are labeled as label X ideas. Whatever a label Y, Z or X person is presenting is wrong by default because I have this person pegged as another label than myself?

[Alfred_E._Neuman]

So it goes like this: I am label X so I only agree with ideas that are labeled as label X ideas. Whatever a label Y, Z or X person is presenting is wrong by default because I have this person pegged as another label than myself?

Welcome to politics as sport. As long as your "team" wins, things are right in the world.

[The Venerable Bogatir X]

OK, so the Hippies are right but you guys can't agree with them because they are Hippies? WTF???

No, the hippies are not right.

[The Ginger Beard Man]

OK, so the Hippies are right but you guys can't agree with them because they are Hippies? WTF???

No Stig. YID posted the cartoon to mock those of us who are against OWS.
EZ may or may not have been serious.
I can't post my pictures, they are apparently too big to load. But they show this is NOT simply about big business and government being too cozy.
OWS is a far left group, completely anti-capitalism. They have also displayed, and it has been documented on this thread, groupthink and an anti individual attitude.

[dead man walking]

OK, so the Hippies are right but you guys can't agree with them because they are Hippies? WTF???

No, the hippies are not right.

right or wrong, they are influential.

disparaging individuals for their attire and dismissing participants as whiners doesn't change the fact that every politician in america is going to have to figure out how to deal with the deep frustration the occupation represents.

the karmic wheel turns.

[The Venerable Bogatir X]

I didn't dismiss them as whiners. I dismissed them as generally lazy.

[The Venerable Bogatir X]

DMW,

Did you miss this story?

The former New York office for ACORN, the disbanded community activist group, is playing a key role in the self-proclaimed “leaderless” Occupy Wall Street movement, organizing “guerrilla” protest events and hiring door-to-door canvassers to collect money under the banner of various causes while spending it on protest-related activities, sources tell FoxNews.com.
The former director of New York ACORN, Jon Kest, and his top aides are now busy working at protest events for New York Communities for Change (NYCC). That organization was created in late 2009 when some ACORN offices disbanded and reorganized under new names after undercover video exposes prompted Congress to cut off federal funds.
NYCC’s connection to ACORN isn’t a tenuous one: It works from the former ACORN offices in Brooklyn, uses old ACORN office stationery, employs much of the old ACORN staff and, according to several sources, engages in some of the old organization’s controversial techniques to raise money, interest and awareness for the protests.
Sources said NYCC has hired about 100 former ACORN-affiliated staff members from other cities – paying some of them $100 a day - to attend and support Occupy Wall Street. Dozens of New York homeless people recruited from shelters are also being paid to support the protests, at the rate of $10 an hour, the sources said.
At least some of those hired are being used as door-to-door canvassers to collect money that’s used to support the protests.
Sources said cash donations collected by NYCC on behalf of some unions and various causes are being pooled and spent on Occupy Wall Street. The money is used to buy supplies, pay staff and cover travel expenses for the ex-ACORN members brought to New York for the protests.
In one such case, sources said, NYCC staff members collected cash donations for what they were told was a United Federation of Teachers fundraising drive, but the money was diverted to the protests.
Sources who participated in the teachers union campaign said NYCC supervisors gave them the addresses of union members and told them to go knock on their doors and ask for contributions—and did not mention that the money would go toward Occupy Wall Street expenses. One source said the campaign raked in about $5,000.
Current staff members at NYCC told FoxNews.com the union fundraising drive was called off abruptly last week, and they were told NYCC should not have been raising money for the union at all.
Sources said staff members also collected door-to-door for NYCC’s PCB campaign — which aims to test schools for deadly toxins —but then pooled that money together with cash raised for the teachers union and other campaigns to fund Occupy Wall Street.
“We go to Freeport, Central Islip, Park Slope, everywhere, and we say we’re collecting money for PCBs testing in schools. But the money isn’t going to the campaign," one source said.
"It’s going to Occupy Wall Street, and we’re not using that money to get schools tested for deadly chemicals or to make their kids safer. It’s just going to the protests, and that’s just so terrible.”
A spokesman for the United Federation of Teachers told FoxNews.com, "The UFT is not involved in any NYCC fundraising on the PCB issue.”
Multiple sources said NYCC is also using cash donations through canvassing efforts in New York’s Harlem and Washington Heights neighborhoods for union-backed campaigns to fund the Wall Street protests.
“All the money collected from canvasses is pooled together back at the office, and everything we’ve been working on for the last year is going to the protests, against big banks and to pay people’s salaries—and those people on salary are, of course, being paid to go to the protests every day,” one NYCC staff member told FoxNews.com.
Those who contribute don't know the money is going to fund the protests, the source said.
“They give contributions because we say if they do we can fix things - whatever specific problem they’re having in their area, housing, schools, whatever ... then we spend the contributions paying staff to be at the protests all day, every day. That’s where these contributions - the community’s money – is going,” the source said.
“They’re doing the same stuff now that got ACORN in trouble to begin with. And yes, we’re still ACORN, there is a still a national ACORN.”
Another source, who said she was hired from a homeless shelter, said she was first sent to the protests before being deployed to Central Islip, Long Island, to canvass for a campaign against home foreclosures.
“I went to the protests every day for two weeks and made $10 an hour. They made me carry NYCC signs and big orange banners that say NYCC in white letters. About 50 others were hired around my time to go to the protests. We went to protests in and around Zuccotti Park, then to the big Times Square protest,” she said.
“But now they have me canvassing on Long Island for money, so I get the money and then the money is being used for Occupy Wall Street—to pay for all of it, for supplies, food, transportation, salaries, for everything ... all that money is going to pay for the protests downtown and that’s just messed up. It’s just wrong.”
Neither Kest, NYCC executive director, nor his communications director returned repeated email and telephone requests for comment, nor did his communications director. A Fox News producer who visited the Brooklyn office on Tuesday was told, "The best people to speak to who are involved with Occupy Wall Street aren't available."
But the organization responded to this story late Wednesday, alerting a FoxNews.com reporter by Twitter message to a statement posted on its website that called the story a "smear campaign."
"Fox News is trying to discredit Occupy Wall Street. New York Communities for Change is a new organization that fights for low- and moderate-income families," the agency said in the online statement, credited to board member Linnette Ebanks. "We don't pay protesters and any monies raised by NYCC's canvass are used in support of our ongoing issue campaigns. Period."
The statement also argued that Occupy Wall Street is "an organic movement" that has the support of most Americans.
NYCC Deputy Director Greg Basta subsequently declined an invitation for an on-the-record interview with Kest to discuss FoxNews.com's reporting of the story.
In a phone interview on Tuesday, Harrison Schultz, an Occupy Wall Street spokesman, said he knew nothing about NYCC’s involvement in the Occupy movement.
“Haven’t seen them, couldn’t tell you,” he said.
He said he couldn’t comment on the Occupy the Boardroom website’s relationship to the movement and to NYCC.
“It’s a horizontal organization, a leaderless organization, it’s difficult to explain it,” Schultz said, “difficult to explain it to people who haven’t worked in this, who haven’t been part of it.”
Kest publicly threw his organization’s support behind the movement in a Sept. 30 opinion piece on HuffingtonPost.com. But top ex-ACORN staff members and current NYCC officials have been planning events like the Occupy Wall Street protests since February, a source within the group told FoxNews.com.
That’s when planning began for May 12 protests against Chase bank foreclosures, which were followed by the formation of the Beyond May 12 campaign, targeting Wall Street and big banks. That campaign was rolled out by a coalition of community groups and unions and led by the revamped former ACORN group.
“What people don’t understand is that ACORN is behind this — and that this, what’s happening now, is all part of the May 12 and Beyond May 12 plans to go after the banks, Chase in particular,” a source said.
Sources said NYCC was a key player behind a series of recent Occupy Wall Street events, including the Oct. 11 Millionaires March, which brought protests and union and community groups on walking tours of Upper East Side homes of wealthy New Yorkers; and the launch of the “Occupy the Boardroom” website, registered to Kest, which encouraged protesters to contact high-profile bankers, among others.
Fox News' Shira Bush contributed to this report.


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[dead man walking]

DMW,

Did you miss this story?

The former New York office for ACORN . . .

i saw that. it doesn't change my point of view.

the system is out of whack. the occupation is one significant expression of collective dissatisfaction.

we now have an occupy group in burlington, vt.

humorist David Sedaris joked in his recent appearance at the Flynn Center across Main Street from City Hall Park that an Occupy Wall Street-styled movement in notoriously progressive Burlington is a bit of a redundancy, “a little like trying to occupy a co-op.”

[WildGorillaMan]

So the one question the media has failed to ask: how do outlaw motorcycle gangs and @fitters feel about having the label 1%er taken away from them?

[The Venerable Bogatir X]

So the one question the media has failed to ask: how do outlaw motorcycle gangs and @fitters feel about having the label 1%er taken away from them?

[The Venerable Bogatir X]

DMW,

Did you miss this story?

The former New York office for ACORN . . .

i saw that. it doesn't change my point of view.

the system is out of whack. the occupation is one significant expression of collective dissatisfaction.

we now have an occupy group in burlington, vt.

humorist David Sedaris joked in his recent appearance at the Flynn Center across Main Street from City Hall Park that an Occupy Wall Street-styled movement in notoriously progressive Burlington is a bit of a redundancy, “a little like trying to occupy a co-op.”

There is irony regarding the corruption within the occupation.

[Batboy2/75]

The OWS crowd are nothing more than the spoiled children of the facists welfare state.

[Testiclaw]

The OWS crowd are nothing more than the spoiled children of the facists welfare state.

[Batboy2/75]

The OWS crowd are nothing more than the spoiled children of the facists welfare state.

All the graphics in the world won't make up for your non-rebuttal cunt.

I'll throw your dumb ass a bone. Since so many of you fucking retards have been missing my point.

I'm 100% against the welfare state; the federal Reserve; Income, capital gains & property taxes; and finally against ALL special interests- corprations, big business, Unions, the rich, the poor, the nanny state meddlers, the religious dogodders, you, me, everyone.

OWS and the Tea party share one thing in common, in one way or another they support the fascist welfare state- Social security, Welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, and alll of the other socialist social programs. The only difference between theese two groups is the OWS want MORE of it and the most Tea party memebers want it it to STAY THE SAME, ie. save it or reform the programs.

I want the programs gone. I want the restoration of my inalienable rights stolen by politicians and their special interest lap dogs back in the early 1900's.

I have nothing in common with these groups. Both support in one way or the other the welfare state. I have stated numerous times over the years, that we live in a Fascist state and I only vote Republican to hinder the socialist policies of the Demcrat party and forestall our eventual slide into insolvancy, dictatorship, and or civil war.

So tell me, what do I have in common with a bunch of dumbassess that are calling for more Statism?

[WildGorillaMan]

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[Holland Oates]

I hate hippies. I can't help it. They are dirty stinking freeloading scum who think they have all the answers. I support OWS and their right to demonstrate peacefully but I could care less about what they are saying. The government is owned by big business and something needs to be done to fix it but I don't have an answer. I agree with HVLN and I agree with Fatty. The system is busted and it needs to be fixed but I also think there are a lot dumbass kids who are expecting a handout/bailout because they made poor life decisions. I'm middle of the road. The system
is broke but I don't trust the system to fix its self. I don't want anymore government involvement in my life but I think some support systems are necessary. Can you be a conservative liberal?

Gawddamn I hate fucking hippies.

[The Venerable Bogatir X]

The OWS crowd are nothing more than the spoiled children of the facists welfare state.

All the graphics in the world won't make up for your non-rebuttal cunt.

I'll throw your dumb ass a bone. Since so many of you fucking retards have been missing my point.

I'm 100% against the welfare state; the federal Reserve; Income, capital gains & property taxes; and finally against ALL special interests- corprations, big business, Unions, the rich, the poor, the nanny state meddlers, the religious dogodders, you, me, everyone.

OWS and the Tee party share one thing in common, in one way or another they support the fascist welfare state- Social security, Welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, and alll of the other socialist social programs. The only difference between theese two groups is the OWS want MORE of it and the most Tee party memebers want it it to STAY THE SAME, ie. save it or reform the programs.

I want the programs gone. I want the restoration of my inalienable rights stolen by politicians and their special interest lap dogs back in the early 1900's.

I have nothing in common with these groups. Both support in one way or the other the welfare state. I have stated numerous times over the years, that we live in a Fascist state and I only vote Republican to hinder the socialist policies of the Demcrat party and forestall our eventual slide into insolvancy, dictatorship, and or civil war.

So tell me, what do I have in common with a bunch of dumbassess that are calling for more Statism?

This is essentially where I've stood for 15+ years.

[dead man walking]

ez,

labels, like hippy, may provide a useful way to summarize a group, but i doubt the occupation folks truly qualify as hippies, at least not in the tradition of the real tie-die, nixon-hating dopers, long hairs, and back-to-the-landers who set the standard. the hippies i know are too busy working to join the occupation.

calling the occupiers hippies just provides a convenient label to enable people to dismiss them. no doubt some occupiers are entitled and selfish, but that doesn't mean the system isn't fucked and their protest against the fuckedness is misguided.

[baffled]

ez,

labels, like hippy, may provide a useful way to summarize a group, but i doubt the occupation folks truly qualify as hippies, at least not in the tradition of the real tie-die, nixon-hating dopers, long hairs, and back-to-the-landers who set the standard. the hippies i know are too busy working to join the occupation.

calling the occupiers hippies just provides a convenient label to enable people to dismiss them. no doubt some occupiers are entitled and selfish, but that doesn't mean the system isn't fucked and their protest against the fuckedness is misguided.

You've clearly not spent much time out here in the Bay Area recently. It seemed the other day like they had every Flower Child from Berkeley hitch hike into Oakland.

It's terrible what has happened to the young Marine out there, but Oakland is full of welfare kings and queens that want nothing but for some rich white person to pay their way so they can sit back with a 40 oz of Mickey's and a bottle of codeine while their 11 illegitimate children run around in the street. Them protesting the system makes my skin crawl.

The system is indeed fucked, and a small handful of people have a disproportionate amount of power and wealth, but this movement is going to amount to jack shit. This isn't a revolution. It's a bunch of people who think the world owes them something, and when it didn't pay up on time, they threw a tantrum.

[Hebrew Hammer]

The system has challenges, but it allows everyone of us to live a life of opportunity, luxury, and freedom unlike anything in history and unlike almost anywhere in the globe today. That's why ambitious people everywhere want to immigrate to America.

The government bailed out some of the banks to prevent the whole system from collapsing. The government let some banks, like Lehman, collapse. And they let many others get swallowed up. The failures and the acquisitions are continuing and it will be a few years before it all shakes out. I'm sure bad decisions were made, but it will be 50 years before we get a good understanding of it. And it was done in day-to-day emergencies, not some sort of planned conspiracy.

People moan that the bailed-out banks are making money now. That was the point. The idea was to save them so that they could return to solvency and profitability.

There are credible policy choices to make about banking and finance, but talk about abolishing the federal reserve is complete lunacy. And if you don't own the stock, why should anyone care what some head of a big bank makes?

[dead man walking]

ez,

labels, like hippy, may provide a useful way to summarize a group, but i doubt the occupation folks truly qualify as hippies, at least not in the tradition of the real tie-die, nixon-hating dopers, long hairs, and back-to-the-landers who set the standard. the hippies i know are too busy working to join the occupation.

calling the occupiers hippies just provides a convenient label to enable people to dismiss them. no doubt some occupiers are entitled and selfish, but that doesn't mean the system isn't fucked and their protest against the fuckedness is misguided.

You've clearly not spent much time out here in the Bay Area recently. It seemed the other day like they had every Flower Child from Berkeley hitch hike into Oakland.

It's terrible what has happened to the young Marine out there, but Oakland is full of welfare kings and queens that want nothing but for some rich white person to pay their way so they can sit back with a 40 oz of Mickey's and a bottle of codeine while their 11 illegitimate children run around in the street. Them protesting the system makes my skin crawl.

god bless bezerkeley.

welfare queen with 11 illegitmate kids is a bullshit stereotype. and not a hippie.

you should stop posting until you actually have some information to impart or an original thought to offer, neither of which is likely anytime soon.

[Holland Oates]

DMW, I'm just being a smartass. I don't think all of the OWS crowd are hippies. But I do hate fucking hippies no matter where they are.

[DrDonkeyLove]

The system has challenges, but it allows everyone of us to live a life of opportunity, luxury, and freedom unlike anything in history and unlike almost anywhere in the globe today. That's why ambitious people everywhere want to immigrate to America.

The government bailed out some of the banks to prevent the whole system from collapsing. The government let some banks, like Lehman, collapse. And they let many others get swallowed up. The failures and the acquisitions are continuing and it will be a few years before it all shakes out. I'm sure bad decisions were made, but it will be 50 years before we get a good understanding of it. And it was done in day-to-day emergencies, not some sort of planned conspiracy.

People moan that the bailed-out banks are making money now. That was the point. The idea was to save them so that they could return to solvency and profitability.

There are credible policy choices to make about banking and finance, but talk about abolishing the federal reserve is complete lunacy. And if you don't own the stock, why should anyone care what some head of a big bank makes?

Because it affects the cost of everything. Because my grandchildren are saddled with bailout costs for his bad and/or evil decisions while he gets richer and they have a darker future.