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Resident Quack wrote:How out of range are the KB numbers that Fish mentioned above? I wouldn't know where to look.

Gin Master wrote:IIRC, the level 4 crap was supposed to represent high marks for a specialist in the respective area (for comparison purposes). I believe it was stated that most @Fers--or anyone, for that matter--would not be able to hit level 4 marks in very many areas, if any.

Fish wrote:The 6k row in 20:00 is retarted too.

Norman U. Senchbau wrote:

Fish wrote:The 6k row in 20:00 is retarted too.

Given their impeccable technique and unorthodox use of the damper, I am not surprised.

Brandon Oto wrote:CrossFitters like to set their damper at 10 on the assumption that it's somehow a better or harder workout. Many, many years of rowers trying to explain how the stupid thing works has not made much of a dent in this. Given that they can't really seem to figure out the form of the stroke either -- one of the simplest fucking movements in sports -- I have to assume that these people just find machinery confusing.

Brandon Oto wrote:Many, many years of rowers trying to explain how the stupid thing works has not made much of a dent in this.

Brandon Oto wrote:This is seriously fucking beyond me. I can see someone having trouble with a relatively complicated movement like the clean and jerk, but rowing involves SITTING DOWN and performing three joint articulations ONE AT A TIME at any speed you want and then reversing them in the opposite order. It is seriously so simple that there are only a couple of ways to do it wrong and yet somehow everyone manages to do those.

One of the elite, that is obviously wrote:What makes athletes elite? Does an elite athlete have to be a champion to be elite? There are many out there who do not look favorably upon CrossFit training. One of the reasons for this is the claim by CrossFit that we create, or forge, elite athletes. These detractors say that if this claim is true, where are these elite athletes? I think the naysayers have confused champion athletes with elite athletes. That’s okay. They just don’t understand the program, either because they have their own agenda within the fitness industry, or they fear the type of hard and intense training we do. I don’t knock their programs, but they go to great lengths to knock CrossFit. Other complaints about CrossFit include the lack of focus, people could get hurt, the unconventional certification methods, or they just don’t like Coach Glassman, the founder of CrossFit. Rather than give CrossFit a try, or at least make an attempt to understand the science behind the training and the true benefits of it, the detractors continue to bash. Perhaps, as I suspect, they’re concerned that CrossFit is producing exactly what it claims: elite athletes.


DEFINING ELITE CROSSFIT TRAINING OVER CONVENTIONAL METHODS
Elite is defined as being in a class by oneself, the select few, the cream of the crop, the best. If that’s the definition of elite, then the category of elite athletes should encompass all CrossFitters. Why? Because what we do for training cannot be matched by any other training methodology. While others use specialized or periodized training methods to isolate training in one modality over a period of eight to twelve weeks, CrossFit avoids both specialization and periodization. One coach might have his athletes do eight to twelve weeks of strength training with slow lifts just to build mass and isolated strength at the expense of stamina, endurance, and functionality. After that period is over, perhaps the coach moves on to plyometrics and, later, running at various distances to rebuild the lost stamina and endurance. This is done on the false assumption that the body needs these long periods of training in one modality in order to improve performance overall. What tends to happen is that the body quickly adapts to the changing stimulus, improves in that one modality, and the fitness gains made earlier revert to what they were prior to the first period of training. It becomes a vicious cycle, repeated year after year by coaches who just don’t know any other way to train. Periodized training has its place, but only if the coach and athlete have a long term goal of specialization for an event for which the athlete stands a good chance of becoming a champion. This isn’t to say that CrossFitters can’t become champions, or that champions aren’t made through CrossFit training. The point is that CrossFitters are elite because of the way they train for the unknown and unknowable rather than for a specific event.

WHERE ARE THE ELITE ATHLETES PRODUCED BY CROSSFIT?

Those who claim that we do not forge elite athletes should look no further than to those who participated in the CrossFit Games and the regional qualifiers for the games. These athletes are certainly the top performers when measured against CrossFit’s definition of fitness: increased work capacity across broad time and modal domains. These athletes can, and do, move large loads, long distances, quickly. I would definitely call these the elite among elite athletes. Unlike champions in other sports, these games competitors did not quite know what they were training for, so they trained for multiple types of events and combinations of events including high rep, low load weightlifting; running; bodyweight/gymnastics movements; plyometrics; low rep, high load weightlifting; with all workouts performed at high intensity. I don’t think anyone training for the Tour de France would train like that, but, again, that’s the difference between elite athleticism and specialized athleticism.

Those new to CrossFit, when they push hard enough on the workouts, experience gains unlike any program they’ve ever encountered. Some come to CrossFit with a background in another sport, believe they’re in awesome shape, and get crushed on their first workout. Others come to CrossFit with zero athletic ability, or they’ve been a couch potato and need to get back into shape again. The appeal of CrossFit is the ability of the random training to capture the imagination, inspire the soul, and produce an athlete where there was none before, or transform a specialized athlete into an elite athlete. Young, old, champion, housewife, former college athlete – they all benefit from CrossFit training and they all become elite athletes when they train using the CrossFit method.

ELITE TRAINING, NOT SPECIALIZED TRAINING

The randomness of CrossFit training and the intensity put out by CrossFitters in the workouts scares most outside the CrossFit community. Sure, if you want to be the top 5% in any given specialized sport, you must focus solely upon that modality. You’re expected to. CrossFit can help, but if you want a 900 pound back squat, you aren’t going to get it doing CrossFit. Likewise, you aren’t going to be the top Olympic champion in the snatch and clean and jerk by doing CrossFit over working the Oly lifts almost to the exclusion of CrossFit. The top Olympic champion and the top powerlifters, as well as the top runners, bikers, rowers, etc. must focus on their sport in their goal to become the champion. Again, CrossFit training can help these athletes, but it cannot replace the specialized training required to be number one.

What CrossFit’s detractors don’t understand is that CrossFit isn’t about specialization. It isn’t about running 120 miles per week. It isn’t about getting massive, bulky bodybuilding muscles. It’s about training for whatever life may throw at you. This is where elite athleticism comes into play. Given enough tasks, the elite athlete will always outperform the specialist, or the champion - and that’s what makes an athlete elite.

What CrossFit’s detractors don’t understand is that CrossFit isn’t about specialization....It’s about training for whatever life may throw at you. This is where elite athleticism comes into play. Given enough tasks, the elite athlete will always outperform the specialist, or the champion - and that’s what makes an athlete elite.

protobuilder wrote:

What CrossFit’s detractors don’t understand is that CrossFit isn’t about specialization....It’s about training for whatever life may throw at you. This is where elite athleticism comes into play. Given enough tasks, the elite athlete will always outperform the specialist, or the champion - and that’s what makes an athlete elite.

LMFAO

I've got an idea. Let's set up a test for things "life may throw at you" and see who survives:

1) push a grocery cart through store

2) Side impact car crash

3) leap from burning building

4) drive through Hong Kong rush hour

5) locate and identify the Big Dipper

6) change a diaper

7) drag a 175 lb person wearing 100 lbs of gear 200 yards to safety

8) carry shopping bags around mall

9) play pick up basketball game, and

10) ME squat with your powerlifting friends.

WTF are these cultfitters talking about with this "what life may throw at you" bullshit?

nafod wrote:

Brandon Oto wrote:Many, many years of rowers trying to explain how the stupid thing works has not made much of a dent in this.

How does it work?

Resident Quack wrote:http://www.crossfitocmd.com/crossfit_oc ... nyway.html

Brandon Oto wrote:

nafod wrote:

Brandon Oto wrote:Many, many years of rowers trying to explain how the stupid thing works has not made much of a dent in this.

How does it work?

The damper on a C2 is essentially its inertia; by analogy to a boat, which is the whole point, a higher damper is a heavier boat. So sure -- heavier means a harder workout, right?

Well, no, heavier just means you have to pull harder, which means you have to pull slower, which means you pull fewer times over a given period. It's exactly like shifting the gear on a bike. Would you rather peddle faster, with less resistance, and have to spin more times? Or would you rather have to push harder but go faster and farther for each push? I don't care, it's up to you -- but you'll cover the same distance with the same overall quantity of work either way. With the damper on 1 you can row at a million strokes a minute, but you'll also NEED to in order to reach a fast pace, and you probably can't shuttle your little assplatform quickly enough for a good split even though there's minimal resistance. With the damper on 10 each pull is like a deadlift and you'll need to make each one monstrously powerful, because you're not going to get very many of them. Either way the machine doesn't give a shit because the monitor is calibrated to take all this into account.

So pretty much everyone rows their fastest within a moderate damper range. I usually shoot for a drag of 135 or so (you can pull up the actual drag setting on the monitor, which is more accurate than just using the damper number since that can vary). A lot of people also prefer somewhat lower drags for longer distances.

Resident Quack wrote:

Garbage about Elite Athletes

Is it possible to laugh and barf at the same time?

All @Fers are elite, and Gaymes folks are elite elite. What does that make Glassman?

Note how not a single one of the complaints mentioned about @F are addressed at all...

One of the elite, that is obviously wrote:What makes athletes elite? Does an elite athlete have to be a champion to be elite? There are many out there who do not look favorably upon CrossFit training. One of the reasons for this is the claim by CrossFit that we create, or forge, elite athletes. These detractors say that if this claim is true, where are these elite athletes? I think the naysayers have confused champion athletes with elite athletes. That’s okay. They just don’t understand the program, either because they have their own agenda within the fitness industry, or they fear the type of hard and intense training we do. I don’t knock their programs, but they go to great lengths to knock CrossFit. Other complaints about CrossFit include the lack of focus, people could get hurt, the unconventional certification methods, or they just don’t like Coach Glassman, the founder of CrossFit. Rather than give CrossFit a try, or at least make an attempt to understand the science behind the training and the true benefits of it, the detractors continue to bash. Perhaps, as I suspect, they’re concerned that CrossFit is producing exactly what it claims: elite athletes.


DEFINING ELITE CROSSFIT TRAINING OVER CONVENTIONAL METHODS
Elite is defined as being in a class by oneself, the select few, the cream of the crop, the best. If that’s the definition of elite, then the category of elite athletes should encompass all CrossFitters. Why? Because what we do for training cannot be matched by any other training methodology. While others use specialized or periodized training methods to isolate training in one modality over a period of eight to twelve weeks, CrossFit avoids both specialization and periodization. One coach might have his athletes do eight to twelve weeks of strength training with slow lifts just to build mass and isolated strength at the expense of stamina, endurance, and functionality. After that period is over, perhaps the coach moves on to plyometrics and, later, running at various distances to rebuild the lost stamina and endurance. This is done on the false assumption that the body needs these long periods of training in one modality in order to improve performance overall. What tends to happen is that the body quickly adapts to the changing stimulus, improves in that one modality, and the fitness gains made earlier revert to what they were prior to the first period of training. It becomes a vicious cycle, repeated year after year by coaches who just don’t know any other way to train. Periodized training has its place, but only if the coach and athlete have a long term goal of specialization for an event for which the athlete stands a good chance of becoming a champion. This isn’t to say that CrossFitters can’t become champions, or that champions aren’t made through CrossFit training. The point is that CrossFitters are elite because of the way they train for the unknown and unknowable rather than for a specific event.

WHERE ARE THE ELITE ATHLETES PRODUCED BY CROSSFIT?

Those who claim that we do not forge elite athletes should look no further than to those who participated in the CrossFit Games and the regional qualifiers for the games. These athletes are certainly the top performers when measured against CrossFit’s definition of fitness: increased work capacity across broad time and modal domains. These athletes can, and do, move large loads, long distances, quickly. I would definitely call these the elite among elite athletes. Unlike champions in other sports, these games competitors did not quite know what they were training for, so they trained for multiple types of events and combinations of events including high rep, low load weightlifting; running; bodyweight/gymnastics movements; plyometrics; low rep, high load weightlifting; with all workouts performed at high intensity. I don’t think anyone training for the Tour de France would train like that, but, again, that’s the difference between elite athleticism and specialized athleticism.

Those new to CrossFit, when they push hard enough on the workouts, experience gains unlike any program they’ve ever encountered. Some come to CrossFit with a background in another sport, believe they’re in awesome shape, and get crushed on their first workout. Others come to CrossFit with zero athletic ability, or they’ve been a couch potato and need to get back into shape again. The appeal of CrossFit is the ability of the random training to capture the imagination, inspire the soul, and produce an athlete where there was none before, or transform a specialized athlete into an elite athlete. Young, old, champion, housewife, former college athlete – they all benefit from CrossFit training and they all become elite athletes when they train using the CrossFit method.

ELITE TRAINING, NOT SPECIALIZED TRAINING

The randomness of CrossFit training and the intensity put out by CrossFitters in the workouts scares most outside the CrossFit community. Sure, if you want to be the top 5% in any given specialized sport, you must focus solely upon that modality. You’re expected to. CrossFit can help, but if you want a 900 pound back squat, you aren’t going to get it doing CrossFit. Likewise, you aren’t going to be the top Olympic champion in the snatch and clean and jerk by doing CrossFit over working the Oly lifts almost to the exclusion of CrossFit. The top Olympic champion and the top powerlifters, as well as the top runners, bikers, rowers, etc. must focus on their sport in their goal to become the champion. Again, CrossFit training can help these athletes, but it cannot replace the specialized training required to be number one.

What CrossFit’s detractors don’t understand is that CrossFit isn’t about specialization. It isn’t about running 120 miles per week. It isn’t about getting massive, bulky bodybuilding muscles. It’s about training for whatever life may throw at you. This is where elite athleticism comes into play. Given enough tasks, the elite athlete will always outperform the specialist, or the champion - and that’s what makes an athlete elite.

There are many out there who do not look favorably upon CrossFit training. One of the reasons for this is the claim by CrossFit that we create, or forge, elite athletes. These detractors say that if this claim is true, where are these elite athletes? I think the naysayers have confused champion athletes with elite athletes.

Elite is defined as being in a class by oneself, the select few, the cream of the crop, the best. If that’s the definition of elite, then the category of elite athletes should encompass all CrossFitters. Why? Because what we do for training cannot be matched by any other training methodology.

WHERE ARE THE ELITE ATHLETES PRODUCED BY CROSSFIT?

Those who claim that we do not forge elite athletes should look no further than to those who participated in the CrossFit Games and the regional qualifiers for the games.

I don’t think anyone training for the Tour de France would train like that, but, again, that’s the difference between elite athleticism and specialized athleticism.

The randomness of CrossFit training and the intensity put out by CrossFitters in the workouts scares most outside the CrossFit community.

Given enough tasks, the elite athlete will always outperform the specialist, or the champion - and that’s what makes an athlete elite.

protobuilder wrote:

What CrossFit’s detractors don’t understand is that CrossFit isn’t about specialization....It’s about training for whatever life may throw at you. This is where elite athleticism comes into play. Given enough tasks, the elite athlete will always outperform the specialist, or the champion - and that’s what makes an athlete elite.

LMFAO

I've got an idea. Let's set up a test for things "life may throw at you" and see who survives:

1) push a grocery cart through store

2) Side impact car crash

3) leap from burning building

4) drive through Hong Kong rush hour

5) locate and identify the Big Dipper

6) change a diaper

7) drag a 175 lb person wearing 100 lbs of gear 200 yards to safety

8) carry shopping bags around mall

9) play pick up basketball game, and

10) ME squat with your powerlifting friends.

WTF are these cultfitters talking about with this "what life may throw at you" bullshit?