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Jim,
Because I realized that I got much more out of Swings than Snatches.
For example, I was doing 5 sets of 5/5 1 arm swings with my 145 lber last year and in comparision my best 5 set 5/5 routine using snatches was with my fat 100.
More of a overload = better carryover to my Deadlift and grip work.
For the next few years I'll stick to the DB swing as opposed to the KB version.
Because I realized that I got much more out of Swings than Snatches.
For example, I was doing 5 sets of 5/5 1 arm swings with my 145 lber last year and in comparision my best 5 set 5/5 routine using snatches was with my fat 100.
More of a overload = better carryover to my Deadlift and grip work.
For the next few years I'll stick to the DB swing as opposed to the KB version.
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The swing is a great exercise, for a sumo puller in particular. i prefer doing them with KBs over DBs. My short legs and huge package make the Kb swing safer. Too much risk with the snatch for not any improvement in results where i want it.
i also like altetrnate cleans but people get freaked when the KBs quickly wear the skin off my biceps and the bleeding starts.
Snatch is for GS, and therefore mainly a conditioning movment.
Disclaimer:i can not pass the snatch test due to fear of killing myself with a KB to the brain housing.
i also like altetrnate cleans but people get freaked when the KBs quickly wear the skin off my biceps and the bleeding starts.
Snatch is for GS, and therefore mainly a conditioning movment.
Disclaimer:i can not pass the snatch test due to fear of killing myself with a KB to the brain housing.
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To drop the pin back on the ol' broken record:
Isn't a snatch basically just moving a pretty heavy weight really fast? And isn't this a good thing?
One could argue about the unique value of the squat under and the successive pulls, and compare these to the unique value of band training, etc., etc....
But the fact remains, a power snatch doesn't take much technique training, and maybe it could fill a training gap between, say, box squats with bands and med ball throws?
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I like the swing better too, as long as I take the weight overhead. Faster than snatches, and my weak-ass shoulders don't take a load.
Isn't a snatch basically just moving a pretty heavy weight really fast? And isn't this a good thing?
One could argue about the unique value of the squat under and the successive pulls, and compare these to the unique value of band training, etc., etc....
But the fact remains, a power snatch doesn't take much technique training, and maybe it could fill a training gap between, say, box squats with bands and med ball throws?
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I like the swing better too, as long as I take the weight overhead. Faster than snatches, and my weak-ass shoulders don't take a load.
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The point for me is that a 1 Arm Swing ( KB, DB ) done chest high gives me a greater benefit because I am able to handle more weight. No need to go overhead. Now, if I want a greater overload for my posterior chain I can always add straps when doing 1 arm Swings and simply choose to work grip some other time.
As far as 2 arm KB work goes, I've always preferred the Swing Hi-Pull using my 145 lber as opposed to doing 2 KB Swings. Why? Because it's easier to use the same close DL stance when doing the Hi-Pulls and I feel that it's a much smoother action. I've added 2 20 lb leg weights and a 5 lb plate to the 145 for a total of 190 lbs. 10 sets of triples on ME DL day was plenty for me.
The action of this drill is similar to the Swing. Simply pick up a heavy KB swing back as far as you can , reverse the motion and go right into a Hi-Pull.
As far as BB Power Snatches and such, I've never done them. Done many a Power Clean though. Even with chains. Great Movement!
As far as 2 arm KB work goes, I've always preferred the Swing Hi-Pull using my 145 lber as opposed to doing 2 KB Swings. Why? Because it's easier to use the same close DL stance when doing the Hi-Pulls and I feel that it's a much smoother action. I've added 2 20 lb leg weights and a 5 lb plate to the 145 for a total of 190 lbs. 10 sets of triples on ME DL day was plenty for me.
The action of this drill is similar to the Swing. Simply pick up a heavy KB swing back as far as you can , reverse the motion and go right into a Hi-Pull.
As far as BB Power Snatches and such, I've never done them. Done many a Power Clean though. Even with chains. Great Movement!
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FWIW, I think snatches are the single best exercise you can do with a KB and have huuuuge carryover to any type of grappling. Even Karl Gotch, who has famously opposed weight training, uses repetition snatches in the training of wrestlers. It's a very powerful move.
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Terry dropped all that weight, and there's no room for two KB ab gods in that town.Ralph wrote:WTF could you possibly have against Terry?bill fox wrote:Not being tight lipped, just have no idea. But I was never friendly with Terry.
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Dude, I was just about to add that. Good one.Grandpa's Spells wrote:Terry dropped all that weight, and there's no room for two KB ab gods in that town.Ralph wrote:WTF could you possibly have against Terry?bill fox wrote:Not being tight lipped, just have no idea. But I was never friendly with Terry.
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He posted today.Napoleon Hill is Back! wrote:OK, then give the thread the dirt on SM's absence of DD`posting since UNCLOK! Your thread is dying and needs a shot.
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