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JDub wrote:I'm not arguing that crossfit is as dangerous or more dangerous as anything else. My only point was that the events were fucking stupid and that no one should be lifting heavy anything after completing 7 "conditioning circuits" (for lack of a better term).

I'd Hit It wrote:There are freak accidents and then there are freak accidents facilitated by shitty programming. If you beat your athletes into the ground with a bunch of shitty metcons and then tell them to do a highly CNS-dependent movement for max weight with multiple reps you are asking for trouble.

Here was the situation:
- Give your athletes a technical movement after a bunch of metcons and making them run with kettlebells
- Allow pressouts and shitty lifts, thus encouraging the athletes to try to save lifts they should bail out of
- Set up the plates close behind the athlete

You set up your athlete to be burned out and not as ready to react to a failed lift. Then you encourage them to save lifts with press-outs. Then you clutter up their lifting area with plates and shit to make that shitty bail-out even worse. Ogar caught his snatch with bent elbows, attempted to save it by pressing out while standing up, and fell back into the plates behind him and the bar bounced off his back.

That's not "part of the game". That's asinine programming and negligent behavior all around. Anyone who has watched Crossfit has seen something like this coming.

They could have done the max strength even first of the day, instead of preceding it with running and running with kettlebells. They could have created a properly cleared lifting area. They could've not had touch-and-go snatches (what the hell?). The organizers chose not to. The kid probably won't do anything legal because dollars-to-donuts he's completely cult-brained and will just blame himself, but he could likely have a nice case if he went that route.

EDIT: Oh, and of course don't have any medical personnel on site. That's another massive fuck-up.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:No one should load a 335 atlas stone after running with 275 pound farmers implements in each hand and then follow that up with max reps on an axle DL with 550...but that's a pretty mellow 75 second medley in an average SM contest for lightweights.

Yes it's dangerous. again, if CF is a sport...there's nothing any more onerous about that series than the average OH or DL medley in a local SM show. Nothing. And yes, injuries in SM are a regular part of the game.

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:T
It's a terrible event, and rather than just being cuntish and screaming all sorts of bull shot about XF, it's more about an individual lifter missing a lift with catastrophic consequences

Blaidd Drwg wrote: On it's face if you looked at that contest list..you'd expect a lot of failure and a lot of torn muscles. Nothing about that suggests catastrophic spinal injury.

I'd Hit It wrote: The kid probably won't do anything legal because dollars-to-donuts he's completely cult-brained and will just blame himself, but he could likely have a nice case if he went that route.

syaigh wrote:Ground to overhead, highly technical, purposefully fatigue inducing movement that requires coordination and balance not to miss. It's not like strongman. At all. Its high wire circus tricks is without a net. If you ever train someone who is doing this stuff, you get more than a little worried. There's a combination of bravado, ignorance, and a complete lack of understanding of the danger that is a little scary. I make my folks practice the stuff at low intensities. Nail the skills down, up the intensity gradually, know your pace, and when to slow it down. Throw in a big ego and lack of self preservation and you've got your freak accident waiting to happen. Look at the trainer ha ing the cerebral palsy girl doing cleans, they are blissfully ignorant and truly believe that the risk to benefit ratio is low. That's the fault of the cult and its leader. Were there ever a class action lawsuit, the blatant doubletalk from HQ would probably reap a huge payout.

Edited to add: strongman isn't a shitshow for the sake of inducing fatigue and you get plenty of time to train for the events. Even just ordering these events differently by ordering them from high technical ability to strength to endurance would have made a big difference. This may have been a freak accident, but I've seen way too many near misses in this"sport" to discount them.

syaigh wrote:Ground to overhead, highly technical, purposefully fatigue inducing movement that requires coordination and balance not to miss. It's not like strongman. At all. Its high wire circus tricks is without a net. If you ever train someone who is doing this stuff, you get more than a little worried. There's a combination of bravado, ignorance, and a complete lack of understanding of the danger that is a little scary. I make my folks practice the stuff at low intensities. Nail the skills down, up the intensity gradually, know your pace, and when to slow it down. Throw in a big ego and lack of self preservation and you've got your freak accident waiting to happen. Look at the trainer ha ing the cerebral palsy girl doing cleans, they are blissfully ignorant and truly believe that the risk to benefit ratio is low. That's the fault of the cult and its leader. Were there ever a class action lawsuit, the blatant doubletalk from HQ would probably reap a huge payout.

Edited to add: strongman isn't a shitshow for the sake of inducing fatigue and you get plenty of time to train for the events. Even just ordering these events differently by ordering them from high technical ability to strength to endurance would have made a big difference. This may have been a freak accident, but I've seen way too many near misses in this"sport" to discount them.

syaigh wrote:Blather

The Ginger Beard Man wrote:Would I be a complete dick to ask how much this guy without health insurance was paying to be a crossfitter?

Blaidd Drwg wrote:

syaigh wrote:Blather

Bitch Please.

Jesus tits..overuse injuries are a bummer and avoidable AND this stuff may be dumb as shit but it's not circus tricks, free climbing, motocross or speedskating.......it's just exercise and the shit ain't Dangerous in the Capital D sense of the word.

CF competitions are roughly the equivalent of the workouts on American's Biggest Loser, the only thing dangerous about it is the retards involved.

Broken neck in this case is the flukiest of flukes. All the danger bleeting in this thread makes me wonder how far we are from a what about the children plea.

Batboy2/75 wrote:Glasshole may not have personally crippled that fag by driving over his delicate spine with his GTO, while take a swig from a 1 gallon bottle of Safeway gin, but he might as well have. Hell, I bet you he ordered the code red.

DARTH wrote:YOU'R GODDAMN RIGHT HE DID!

Blaidd Drwg wrote:

syaigh wrote:Blather

Bitch Please.

Jesus tits..overuse injuries are a bummer and avoidable AND this stuff may be dumb as shit but it's not circus tricks, free climbing, motocross or speedskating.......it's just exercise and the shit ain't Dangerous in the Capital D sense of the word.

CF competitions are roughly the equivalent of the workouts on American's Biggest Loser, the only thing dangerous about it is the retards involved.

Broken neck in this case is the flukiest of flukes. All the danger bleeting in this thread makes me wonder how far we are from a what about the children plea.