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T>1200 wrote:I'm only loosely following Wild Bill's ramblings, but it is odd that the American media isn't discussing the make-up to the right-wing Ukrainians or giving any of the backstory as to how/why the West was involved in Ukraine at all.

In conclusion, we should always be very wary of claims that protests speak “for the people.” We should be particularly wary when “the people” referred to are the people of Ukraine. If 20 years of scholarship and surveys teach us one thing, it is that Ukraine is a country that is deeply divided on virtually every issue pertaining to relations with Russia or the West, with very deep historic divisions that continue to bear on contemporary politics.

Ukrainians are, however, quite unified in the desire to be governed better than they have been for the past 20 years. The mass protests were primarily a response to efforts by President Yanukovych to impose a more repressive regime. Those on the square are not, on the whole, motivated by an affiliation for the far right or its agenda for Ukraine. Yet the heavy symbolic and organizational presence of the far right in the protests has surely limited the extent to which the protests can find majority support in the country and undermined their effectiveness in producing a better government for Ukraine’s citizens. A clear majority of Ukrainians could certainly be persuaded to abandon support for Yanukovych in an election, but the lack of majority support for the protests suggest that they might not take that option if it is presented to them wrapped in the violent anti-Russian rhetoric of the nationalist right.

nafod wrote:

T>1200 wrote:I'm only loosely following Wild Bill's ramblings, but it is odd that the American media isn't discussing the make-up to the right-wing Ukrainians or giving any of the backstory as to how/why the West was involved in Ukraine at all.

They recently invented this thing called THE GOOGLER which told me this

In conclusion, we should always be very wary of claims that protests speak “for the people.” We should be particularly wary when “the people” referred to are the people of Ukraine. If 20 years of scholarship and surveys teach us one thing, it is that Ukraine is a country that is deeply divided on virtually every issue pertaining to relations with Russia or the West, with very deep historic divisions that continue to bear on contemporary politics.

Ukrainians are, however, quite unified in the desire to be governed better than they have been for the past 20 years. The mass protests were primarily a response to efforts by President Yanukovych to impose a more repressive regime. Those on the square are not, on the whole, motivated by an affiliation for the far right or its agenda for Ukraine. Yet the heavy symbolic and organizational presence of the far right in the protests has surely limited the extent to which the protests can find majority support in the country and undermined their effectiveness in producing a better government for Ukraine’s citizens. A clear majority of Ukrainians could certainly be persuaded to abandon support for Yanukovych in an election, but the lack of majority support for the protests suggest that they might not take that option if it is presented to them wrapped in the violent anti-Russian rhetoric of the nationalist right.

From this obscure newspaper called THE WASHINGTON POST

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/mon ... n-ukraine/

Turdacious wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO725Hbzfls[/youtube]

VO2 maxed wrote:

Turdacious wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO725Hbzfls[/youtube]

It was only a matter of time before someone evoked Reductio Ad Hitlerum.

A prominent political ally and advisor to Vladimir Putin has proposed splitting up Ukraine along the lines of an historical pact agreed between the Nazis and Soviet Union.

Vladimir Zhirinovsky, widely regarded as a mouthpiece for the Russian president, proposed a redrawing of the borders of western Ukraine - which would involve regions being incorporated into the territories of Poland, Romania and Hungary.

He appeared to have written the letter in the days after Russia itself annexed the Crimea region of Ukraine last week, and suggested further referendums could be held to see further territory break away from Kiev.

Zhirinovsky wrote: “It's never too late to correct historical errors.”

Wild Bill wrote:Quote Zhirinovsky is a bad taste.

seeahill wrote:

Wild Bill wrote:Quote Zhirinovsky is a bad taste.

Why?

Wild Bill wrote:

seeahill wrote:

Wild Bill wrote:Quote Zhirinovsky is a bad taste.

Why?

Why??? :)
It is a known buffoon, who cares about him. He planned to invade India for example.

But publishing his letter maybe preparing to the thought.
At first as a joke... :) Then Poles will start to publish articles "Why not? ..." :))

Batboy2/75 wrote:

VO2 maxed wrote:

Turdacious wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO725Hbzfls[/youtube]

It was only a matter of time before someone evoked Reductio Ad Hitlerum.

Try to keep up; that was achieved several pages ago.

Wild Bill wrote:he liked strange games
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgX6QVUr6hc[/youtube]

Wild Bill wrote:Daughter of new prosecutor of Ukraine. What she is doing with Putin's portrait????

Wild Bill wrote:Daughter of new prosecutor of Ukraine. What she is doing with Putin's portrait????

baffled wrote:In that photo, you noticed Putin's portrait?