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Fat Cat wrote: Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:16 pm
baffled wrote: Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:13 pm My dad either had a minor stroke last night or the second injection royally fucked him up. He ran a fever of 101, with Tylenol.

Couldn't find the word for his arm or hand, got belligerent, couldn't walk on his own and I had to lift him into bed. When I got over there my mom was on the phone with the advice line through their medical insurance and they were at a loss.

He's still sleeping at the moment.

Oddly enough, I'm still glad he got both injections. Assuming he didn't have a stroke, he'll be better off and able to fight infection in a way that his compromised immune system otherwise couldn't.

There's precisely zero chance I'll be getting this shit though. Johnson & Johnson or bust, brah.
Oh no dude! Did you get him to a doctor?
The doctor on call felt like it was most likely a reaction to the vaccine and/or his dementia causing some sort of episode and to keep an eye on him, so we watched him until after 3 this morning. He's had some odd episodes before, and we suspect maybe a mini stroke or two.

My guess is with the fever, the doctor didn't suspect a stroke, and with the confusion there may have been worry about it actually being Covid. I'll try to get a nap and ask a few more questions. We're all exhausted. My girlfriend had a really rough recovery from surgery

He's got an appointment with his GP in a little bit.

I still think the mRNA injections are a good idea for people like him: old, weak, and immunocompromised. But, for those of us that are young(er) and healthy there's no fucking way I'd think that was a good idea.
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baffled wrote: Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:13 pm My dad either had a minor stroke last night or the second injection royally fucked him up. He ran a fever of 101, with Tylenol.

Couldn't find the word for his arm or hand, got belligerent, couldn't walk on his own and I had to lift him into bed. When I got over there my mom was on the phone with the advice line through their medical insurance and they were at a loss.

He's still sleeping at the moment.

Oddly enough, I'm still glad he got both injections. Assuming he didn't have a stroke, he'll be better off and able to fight infection in a way that his compromised immune system otherwise couldn't.

There's precisely zero chance I'll be getting this shit though. Johnson & Johnson or bust, brah.
Sorry to hear about your father, jeez...

My wife got the first Pfizer shot yesterday. She's on the couch with chills today.

The J&J is a single shot like the AstraZeneca that everyone is now worried about causing clots.

Interesting statistical fact, if you give out enough shots per day you'll have people dying the day after they get the shot because they would have died anyway. Especially elderly people. Of course the natural impulse is to think causation.

A lot of uncertainty in the decision making.
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baffled wrote: Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:51 pm The doctor on call felt like it was most likely a reaction to the vaccine and/or his dementia causing some sort of episode and to keep an eye on him, so we watched him until after 3 this morning. He's had some odd episodes before, and we suspect maybe a mini stroke or two.

My guess is with the fever, the doctor didn't suspect a stroke, and with the confusion there may have been worry about it actually being Covid. I'll try to get a nap and ask a few more questions. We're all exhausted. My girlfriend had a really rough recovery from surgery

He's got an appointment with his GP in a little bit.

I still think the mRNA injections are a good idea for people like him: old, weak, and immunocompromised. But, for those of us that are young(er) and healthy there's no fucking way I'd think that was a good idea.
Man, so sorry to hear all that. It will be interesting to see what the GP says when he examines him. Good luck dude.
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baffled wrote: Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:51 pm
I still think the mRNA injections are a good idea for people like him: old, weak, and immunocompromised. But, for those of us that are young(er) and healthy there's no fucking way I'd think that was a good idea.
So sorry to hear about all of that. Good luck!

I'm 55 and fit-I got my first Moderna dose yesterday. I feel totally fine-worked out last night and don't have any residual effects, including the sore arm everyone complains about.

By contrast, my mom got it 3 days ago. She's early 70's, and a physical disaster (obese, broken femur plus bipolar thrown in for good measure). The first dose absolutely destroyed her. She's been on her back since 12 hours after the first injection. I'm very concerned with how the second will go, as everyone I've talked to says the second one is the real bitch.

Anyway, based on a sample size of 2, I'm thinking your strength going into the injection plays a huge part in how it treats you.

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Fat Cat wrote: Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:15 pm Honest answer? I don't know yet. I have had plenty of vaccines in my life, but I don't get flu shots. If I started to feel threatened by COVID-19--currently I don't--or it prohibited me from travel, I probably would.
Ah-that's interesting. Do you work in a situation where your employer could potentially require it?

My prediction is that if you want to travel abroad later this year or in 2022, you'll need to show proof of vaccination. But tbd, obviously.

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lasalle wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 1:51 am
baffled wrote: Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:51 pm
I still think the mRNA injections are a good idea for people like him: old, weak, and immunocompromised. But, for those of us that are young(er) and healthy there's no fucking way I'd think that was a good idea.
So sorry to hear about all of that. Good luck!

I'm 55 and fit-I got my first Moderna dose yesterday. I feel totally fine-worked out last night and don't have any residual effects, including the sore arm everyone complains about.

By contrast, my mom got it 3 days ago. She's early 70's, and a physical disaster (obese, broken femur plus bipolar thrown in for good measure). The first dose absolutely destroyed her. She's been on her back since 12 hours after the first injection. I'm very concerned with how the second will go, as everyone I've talked to says the second one is the real bitch.

Anyway, based on a sample size of 2, I'm thinking your strength going into the injection plays a huge part in how it treats you.
The odd thing is that the people who have been younger and more fit have had a harder time from the people I've talked to... Except for my dad.

He was fine other than a little soreness in his injection arm, and then this episode. He's still all fucked up and they were supposed to visit his dying sister in Hawaii this Sunday and had to postpone the trip because he's so weak.

My mom got tired from the first one and is really hesitant to experience the second now, but she's going to do it because at 69 and healthy, she's still in a high risk group.
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Fat Cat wrote: Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:33 pm
baffled wrote: Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:51 pm The doctor on call felt like it was most likely a reaction to the vaccine and/or his dementia causing some sort of episode and to keep an eye on him, so we watched him until after 3 this morning. He's had some odd episodes before, and we suspect maybe a mini stroke or two.

My guess is with the fever, the doctor didn't suspect a stroke, and with the confusion there may have been worry about it actually being Covid. I'll try to get a nap and ask a few more questions. We're all exhausted. My girlfriend had a really rough recovery from surgery

He's got an appointment with his GP in a little bit.

I still think the mRNA injections are a good idea for people like him: old, weak, and immunocompromised. But, for those of us that are young(er) and healthy there's no fucking way I'd think that was a good idea.
Man, so sorry to hear all that. It will be interesting to see what the GP says when he examines him. Good luck dude.
GP wasn't thrilled, but figured between his various ailments and dementia that the episode was probably brought on primarily through the fever and maybe the immune response, but nobody really knows. That's the hard part of everything.

Like I'd posted earlier, he has had similar experiences in the past, but lacking the fever.
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lasalle wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 1:56 am
Fat Cat wrote: Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:15 pm Honest answer? I don't know yet. I have had plenty of vaccines in my life, but I don't get flu shots. If I started to feel threatened by COVID-19--currently I don't--or it prohibited me from travel, I probably would.
Ah-that's interesting. Do you work in a situation where your employer could potentially require it?

My prediction is that if you want to travel abroad later this year or in 2022, you'll need to show proof of vaccination. But tbd, obviously.
I've got no interest in traveling if they only way to do so is by showing proof of vaccination. Just the numbers alone should remove that hurdle.

If we have a certain number of known vaccinations and recoveries, we'd be at herd immunity and it shouldn't matter.
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Having got the vaccine, it is definitely a load off my mind. I worry far less about being that guy that is spreading it to others, and not at all about getting sick if I actually get it. It's nice.
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baffled wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:48 am If we have a certain number of known vaccinations and recoveries, we'd be at herd immunity and it shouldn't matter.
I think there's enough people feeling similar that we aren't going to get there. In which case, probably better to get the Made In China version now than wait for the Brazil Cut. The variants are proving more dangerous.

Reminds me of this Onion article
Report: 98 Percent Of U.S. Commuters Favor Public Transportation For Others
11/29/00 3:00PM

WASHINGTON, DC–A study released Monday by the American Public Transportation Association reveals that 98 percent of Americans support the use of mass transit by others.

"With traffic congestion, pollution, and oil shortages all getting worse, now is the time to shift to affordable, efficient public transportation," APTA director Howard Collier said. "Fortunately, as this report shows, Americans have finally recognized the need for everyone else to do exactly that."

Anaheim, CA, resident Lance Holland, who drives 80 miles a day to his job in downtown Los Angeles, was among the proponents of public transit.

"Expanding mass transit isn't just a good idea, it's a necessity," Holland said. "My drive to work is unbelievable. I spend more than two hours stuck in 12 lanes of traffic. It's about time somebody did something to get some of these other cars off the road."
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baffled wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:48 am If we have a certain number of known vaccinations and recoveries, we'd be at herd immunity and it shouldn't matter.
I totally get that sentiment, but my take is that you're in for a long wait. There are some reports of people being infected twice (given the new variants). We have to get well into the 70% range (if not greater than that).

WTF knows-time will tell. But in the meantime, I'm feeling like getting it was the right thing to do, and here in the Bay Area I won't be at all surprised when companies start requiring vax proof to return to the office, and some states (Hawaii?) and certainly countries require it for inbound travel.

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lasalle wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 1:56 am Ah-that's interesting. Do you work in a situation where your employer could potentially require it?

My prediction is that if you want to travel abroad later this year or in 2022, you'll need to show proof of vaccination. But tbd, obviously.
No, our company is family owned. As for travel requirements, I would not be surprised.
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I do some work for the county and they tried to mandate vaccines but backed off. I also work for myself so I won't be mandating it for... myself.
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Probably gonna be a whole new ballgame once the vaccines get full approval— if they ever do.

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Turdacious wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:13 pm Probably gonna be a whole new ballgame once the vaccines get full approval— if they ever do.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspec ... ilots-quit
From the article...ouch
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Just a quick update, but my dad is still fucking wasted.

My girlfriend's mom is in her 50's and she's just got a sore arm and neck and a slight fever, but seems okay otherwise. My mom got fucking cranky for a day and then seemed fine. Her next jab is early April, I think.

I'm still not getting it until the J&J shot is available again here. I'm also going to a seminar this coming weekend and I'll be outside.
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baffled wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:25 pm Just a quick update, but my dad is still fucking wasted.

My girlfriend's mom is in her 50's and she's just got a sore arm and neck and a slight fever, but seems okay otherwise. My mom got fucking cranky for a day and then seemed fine. Her next jab is early April, I think.

I'm still not getting it until the J&J shot is available again here. I'm also going to a seminar this coming weekend and I'll be outside.
Sorry about your dad, homie. I'll keep my fingers crossed he pulls it together. [-o<
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