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Patrick Donnelly wrote: The CrossFit name is just a method of advertisement - no longer necessary once your business gets rolling.

this is the only reason we ever even considered attending a cert and affiliating. after chatting with a then affliliates, now former I think judging by the name change of the DBA, he and she said don't do it because of all the tards affiliating and hurting people. At this time they assessing whether to continue their affiliation.

The Nightman wrote:

Patrick Donnelly wrote: The CrossFit name is just a method of advertisement - no longer necessary once your business gets rolling.

this is the only reason we ever even considered attending a cert and affiliating. after chatting with a then affliliates, now former I think judging by the name change of the DBA, he and she said don't do it because of all the tards affiliating and hurting people. At this time they assessing whether to continue their affiliation.

Yeah, and tell them to avoid the RRG like the fucking plague. @fitHQ will likely ask for $10,000 per affiliate as seed money.
I wonder who's going to be in charge of investing that nest egg and keeping it all comfy and warm?
*hic*

Whomever joked about Crossfit Golf:

The idea is not too far off. I train some very good golfers, and they have noticed big differences in their game. It's not necessarily the METCON or increased work capacity that gives the benefit. It's the more intangible benefits Crossfit brings, such as mental acuity in the moment, balance, coordination, and instantaneous force generation.

First they don't answer steroid question, then they cite dominamce in a day old program. DeFranco actually has player in NFL and he won't even talk this shit. NOW that are talking Golf, Lacrosse, Basketball. Does any "real" athlete even rep Xfit? I have never heard even an MMA fighter give it props. Don't even get me strated on th RRG. NO ONE has a disenting opinion? Every dill hole there is just going to pony up a thousand bucks?

Lets face it, this stuff isn't for real athletes, it's for the usual crowd - the cert addicted,
wannabe "elite", koolaide junkies.

Couch knows once you've got them hooked you gotta keep them supplied, otherwise they might find another pusher outside the neighborhood.

Somehow I think all the CrossFit crowd REALLY needs to watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI

CultBuster wrote:

Whomever joked about Crossfit Golf:

The idea is not too far off. I train some very good golfers, and they have noticed big differences in their game. It's not necessarily the METCON or increased work capacity that gives the benefit. It's the more intangible benefits Crossfit brings, such as mental acuity in the moment, balance, coordination, and instantaneous force generation.

First they don't answer steroid question, then they cite dominamce in a day old program. DeFranco actually has player in NFL and he won't even talk this shit. NOW that are talking Golf, Lacrosse, Basketball. Does any "real" athlete even rep Xfit? I have never heard even an MMA fighter give it props. Don't even get me strated on th RRG. NO ONE has a disenting opinion? Every dill hole there is just going to pony up a thousand bucks?

Two things:

Anyone who has been worshipping at the @F altar long enough knows to keep their mouth shut online or risk ex-communication.

The specialty certs are not $1000/pop, more like $500-600, not like that makes them any less repugnant or redundant.

NOOBS!!!

Hello everyone. I've been doing CrossFit for about 6 weeks and loving it. It completely suits my style to push hard and improve. Lost 16lbs already. Unfortunately I've overdone it. Pretty sure it was the GH situps last week that got me. The trainer discussed how careful to be about damaging the soft tissue and scaled it back since I hadn't done that move before but still got in trouble. (followed the next day with FGB makeup day!)

Anyway, a couple days after that workout my urine looked like coffee and I was concerned something could be wrong with my kidneys.

I want to thank those on the boards because without you all I wouldn't have been able to learn what was wrong with me. The more I read on Thursday night the more I knew I needed to go to the ER. I get to the ER and I explain to the doc what I thought it could be. He kept looking at me like I was stupid so I said have you heard of it? He says in a very smart a$$ way, "yes I've heard of it" like there was no way I could have it.

They run my blood work and my cpk is at 70,500! (should be like less than 200) He immediately admits me to the hospital and has an entirely different demeanor. ha ha. I wasn't crazy after all.

I've been on an IV ever since Thursday night and looks like I'll be here thru at least Sunday afternoon. My cpk levels are steadily coming down though. I'm at 38,000 now.

Looking forward to getting back my to my affiliate soon. The guys at Evolution CrossFit in Atlanta are awesome. Nate the Owner and Chace his lead trainer both came out of their way to visit me in the hospital. I feel like they are family already and just want to say that I'm thankful to be part of an awesome CrossFit community. I promise to ramp up a bit slower and avoid this again!

First post, in the hospital with Rhabdo

I know there have been a few of these threads, but as I am pretty bored in the hospital, I have decided to use my first post to make a thread to further drive the point home that Rhabdo is very real and something that should be taken very seriously.

I started at the local affiliate in the month long "Elements" course at the beggining of the month and was doing great. Unfortunately, I have always had a very high tolerance for pain, and don't think I am doing damage when I actually am. The workout that gave me Rhabdo I believe was band assisted pullups. I insisted on doing the prescribed reps, despite my body telling me otherwise.

That was Thursday morning. When I woke up Friday morning, my arms were a little more sore than usual, but I still worked out, as my urine was still clear, so I figured it was not Rhabdo. My arms were still pretty sore all day Friday. When I woke up Saturday, my arms would not bend out past 90*, and I knew something wasn't right. When I urinated for the first time Saturday morning, my urine was a very light brown, but enough for me to say better be safe than sorry and go to the ER to get it checked out.

When I got to the ER, I put that I had symptoms consistent with Rhabdo on the intake sheet. The doctor saw me and asked why I thought that and I let him know. He assured me that it was very rare and I probaly didn't have it, but that he would do a urine analysis and blood test to be sure.

After the urine came back positive for blood (which I know from reading is elevated myglobin levels), they did some extra tests on the blood and determined my CK levels were at around 35,000 units. After that they admitted me to the hospital, and got my on a fluid treatment. They said I should expect to be here until at least Monday, maybe Tuesday.

I think everyone should make sure thier fellow CrossFitters are educated about the symptoms of Rhabdo, and watch for them. They also need to know that there is muscle soreness, and there is Rhabdo soreness, they are DEFINATELY not the same thing.

I don't blame my trainers at all, and cannot wait until I can go back and continue to improve my physical conditioning, though I will now know to watch myself and make sure I dont push my body over the line. At least I will maybe get a free shirt out if it.

A growing trend?

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Dumbasses every single one of them

I don't understand how you can give yourself Rhabdo.

I've done some pretty intense workouts and I was an above average Cultfitter at one time but other than being sore as hell I've never managed to make myself fucking sick.

I just don't get it.

Back to the Bukkake Bitches of CultFit.

Cum soaked whores.

Okay, @fit can stop calling itself functional fitness now. That crap is as dysfunctional as it gets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI

Good stuff.

Looking forward to getting back my to my affiliate soon. The guys at Evolution CrossFit in Atlanta are awesome. Nate the Owner and Chace his lead trainer both came out of their way to visit me in the hospital. I feel like they are family already and just want to say that I'm thankful to be part of an awesome CrossFit community. I promise to ramp up a bit slower and avoid this again!

I don't blame my trainers at all, and cannot wait until I can go back and continue to improve my physical conditioning, though I will now know to watch myself and make sure I dont push my body over the line. At least I will maybe get a free shirt out if it.

What the fuck... Anyone in his right mind would be pissed at getting put in the hospital from a trainer's stupid workout, if not on the verge of suing. GHD sit-ups and jumping pull-ups are the two exercises most often associated with rhabdo in beginners, and yet people continue to put newbies through workouts with tons of reps of them. Make the weight fucking heavier. Introduce new exercises slowly, using moderately heavy weights and just a couple reps at a time. Not only will that actually help people get stronger, but it'll prevent them on doing 34125098509 reps leading to their muscles fall apart and poisoning their blood.

I'm now on pg48 of this thread... I've been busy. Damn, I wish I had seen this before. I had never even heard of this message board before aside from a few references on John Walsh's blog.

When in the world will my laundry be done... I want to get to bed.

I don't understand why they're having trouble getting insurance??

protobuilder wrote:I don't understand why they're having trouble getting insurance??

Because the trainers are not required to have any sort of accredited personal training certification and their trainers have a knack for causing (and often taking pride in getting) their clients to not only vomit, but get rhabdomyolysis. See above quotes for typical @F rhabdo experiences. Insurance companies that typically cover personal training also very much frown on the "gymnastics" equipment, as there is very specific insurance for gymnastics facilities (costs a lot more $$ due to increased risk of falling on one's head and other nastiness).

Resident Quack wrote:

protobuilder wrote:I don't understand why they're having trouble getting insurance??

Because the trainers are not required to have any sort of accredited personal training certification and their trainers have a knack for causing (and often taking pride in getting) their clients to not only vomit, but get rhabdomyolysis. See above quotes for typical @F rhabdo experiences. Insurance companies that typically cover personal training also very much frown on the "gymnastics" equipment, as there is very specific insurance for gymnastics facilities (costs a lot more $$ due to increased risk of falling on one's head and other nastiness).

That's a good, informed answer, but I'm pretty sure that Proto was being sarcastic.

"Thank You Sir, Can I Have Another?" would make a great @fit t-shit.

WildGorillaMan wrote:"Thank You Sir, Can I Have Another?" would make a great @fit t-shit.

lol I have a mind to cafe press that with an IV bottle and the crossfit trademark.

Patrick Donnelly wrote:

Looking forward to getting back my to my affiliate soon. The guys at Evolution CrossFit in Atlanta are awesome. Nate the Owner and Chace his lead trainer both came out of their way to visit me in the hospital. I feel like they are family already and just want to say that I'm thankful to be part of an awesome CrossFit community. I promise to ramp up a bit slower and avoid this again!

I don't blame my trainers at all, and cannot wait until I can go back and continue to improve my physical conditioning, though I will now know to watch myself and make sure I dont push my body over the line. At least I will maybe get a free shirt out if it.

they're like battered wives.

Charismatic megafauna wrote:

Hebrew Hammer wrote:The insurance idea is interesting. With something like this, it doesn't make sense without a catastrophic umbrella, but the umbrella carrier would have a big challenge figuring out how to underwrite the risk. And there's really two levels of risk - one at the trainer level and one at the Crossfit-as-licensor level, either directly or through vicarious liability.

Out of curiosity, does Crossfit license trainers or gyms at a specific site to use the Crossfit name? Are there quality control aspects? Does someone inspect the gym? Is there a manual to be followed? Do inspectors come out and check on trainers in practice? Are there limits on non-certified people teaching?

The legal and financial aspects of this are also very tricky. Insurance is regulated. You need agreements on how to operate, how to make decisions, and how to handle the funds. It's quite an undertaking.

Yo! Lawdog..give us a primer on why this is a retarded thing for crossfit to do...I need more context to direct my hate. I'm sure you have a 1L or 2L under your desk right now you could spare for a couple hours of research.

Here's a primer. This involves very complex areas of law, but I practice and write in the franchise area and I also work with some training organizations. Thus I find it interesting.

1. Definition of a franchise. Franchises are regulated by the federal government, but the federal government steps in only if significant fraudulent activity exists. Roughly half the states have a franchise law and most that don't have a business opportuinity laws. Each of them defines franchise or a business opportunity. These statutes give individuals or companies a right to sue, and some states will pursue enforcement actions against violators. The Federal Trade Commission definition of franchise is a common definition. Under the FTC definition (if you want to look it up, 16 CFR 436.2a) a franchise generally exists when (i) the franchisee pays the franchisor for (ii) the right to sell goods or services under the franchisor's trademark and (iii) the franchisor exerts a "significant degree of control" over or gives "significant assistance" to the franchisee's "method of operation." In simpler terms, a franchise is licensing a trademark and providing a business system in exchange for money.

2. Avoiding the franchise laws. It's not easy avoiding the franchise and business opportunity laws, especially if you operate in many states. You can avoid payment or, in some cases, defer or avoid payment. Or you can avoid control or assistance - for example a certification involves payment and allows the certified trainer to say "XXX-certified." XXX is a trade name. But the certifying body doesn't significantly control or assist the certified trainer's business. If Cross Fit offers significant assistance (for example, specified supplies, a marketing plan, advertising) or control, it's in a risky area.

3. Naked licensing. If you license a mark, and don't police it's use to make sure it denotes a certain quality and type of service or product, you have a naked license, and the law will deem it abandoned. This is a consumer protection provision. You should expect the same Big Mac in whatever McDonald's you visit. If Cross Fit is not policing the quality of the services associated with its mark, it risks the mark being deemed abandoned.

4. Trainer liability. My sense is that most trainers can find insurance, especially if they have certain certifications and follow safe practice rules and use disclaimers of liability. If you are certified, though, in a training methodology that promotes puking and complex weightlifting movements under fatigue, I'd guess that insurance companies would start to issue endorsements to their policies to say they don't cover this type of training or that some companies would refuse to insure crossfit facilities.

5. Fanchise insurance. Some franchisors can provide system-wide insurance because they carefully monitor the quality of their product. Thus the insurer can reasonably underwrite the risk and can ask the franchisor to insitute certain training and safeguards if it wants. If Crossfit is not significantly policing the quality of its licensee's services and the fitness of the places of business, and if it does not promote reasonable safety principles, no insurance company aware of what's going on would take the risk as there would be no way to underwrite it (that is, to make a reasonable risk/benefit calculation).

6. Cooperative self-insurance. Many large insurance companies are cooperatives (for example, fraternal benfit socities). Also, many groups are large enough and controlled enough to bind together to form a self-insured insurance cooperative with members covering certain losses, and then they have a cooperative catastrophic umbrella policy. If Cross-Fit does not police all its licensees, a cooperative faces the same risk that an insurance company would face. How do you assess the risk? How much are premiums? Is there certain conduct that disqualifies coverage -- if so, what about puking? Then there's the whole issue of governance. Insurance coverage is a very complex business to run. You need decisions on when to cover, who to hire as lawyer, how much to pay lawyers, when to settle, who decides on settlement, how to protect against bad faith suits if you don't settle, procuring a catastrophic umbrella, investing premiums, updating coverage policy, etc. There are lots of ways to fail.

As you can see, a lot of these issues are at cross-purposes.

This is not legal advice. If you want legal advice, hire a lawyer to advise you.

T200 wrote:NOOBS!!!

Hello everyone. I've been doing CrossFit for about 6 weeks and loving it. It completely suits my style to push hard and improve. Lost 16lbs already. Unfortunately I've overdone it. Pretty sure it was the GH situps last week that got me. The trainer discussed how careful to be about damaging the soft tissue and scaled it back since I hadn't done that move before but still got in trouble. (followed the next day with FGB makeup day!)

Anyway, a couple days after that workout my urine looked like coffee and I was concerned something could be wrong with my kidneys.

I want to thank those on the boards because without you all I wouldn't have been able to learn what was wrong with me. The more I read on Thursday night the more I knew I needed to go to the ER. I get to the ER and I explain to the doc what I thought it could be. He kept looking at me like I was stupid so I said have you heard of it? He says in a very smart a$$ way, "yes I've heard of it" like there was no way I could have it.

They run my blood work and my cpk is at 70,500! (should be like less than 200) He immediately admits me to the hospital and has an entirely different demeanor. ha ha. I wasn't crazy after all.

I've been on an IV ever since Thursday night and looks like I'll be here thru at least Sunday afternoon. My cpk levels are steadily coming down though. I'm at 38,000 now.

Looking forward to getting back my to my affiliate soon. The guys at Evolution CrossFit in Atlanta are awesome. Nate the Owner and Chace his lead trainer both came out of their way to visit me in the hospital. I feel like they are family already and just want to say that I'm thankful to be part of an awesome CrossFit community. I promise to ramp up a bit slower and avoid this again!

First post, in the hospital with Rhabdo

I know there have been a few of these threads, but as I am pretty bored in the hospital, I have decided to use my first post to make a thread to further drive the point home that Rhabdo is very real and something that should be taken very seriously.

I started at the local affiliate in the month long "Elements" course at the beggining of the month and was doing great. Unfortunately, I have always had a very high tolerance for pain, and don't think I am doing damage when I actually am. The workout that gave me Rhabdo I believe was band assisted pullups. I insisted on doing the prescribed reps, despite my body telling me otherwise.

That was Thursday morning. When I woke up Friday morning, my arms were a little more sore than usual, but I still worked out, as my urine was still clear, so I figured it was not Rhabdo. My arms were still pretty sore all day Friday. When I woke up Saturday, my arms would not bend out past 90*, and I knew something wasn't right. When I urinated for the first time Saturday morning, my urine was a very light brown, but enough for me to say better be safe than sorry and go to the ER to get it checked out.

When I got to the ER, I put that I had symptoms consistent with Rhabdo on the intake sheet. The doctor saw me and asked why I thought that and I let him know. He assured me that it was very rare and I probaly didn't have it, but that he would do a urine analysis and blood test to be sure.

After the urine came back positive for blood (which I know from reading is elevated myglobin levels), they did some extra tests on the blood and determined my CK levels were at around 35,000 units. After that they admitted me to the hospital, and got my on a fluid treatment. They said I should expect to be here until at least Monday, maybe Tuesday.

I think everyone should make sure thier fellow CrossFitters are educated about the symptoms of Rhabdo, and watch for them. They also need to know that there is muscle soreness, and there is Rhabdo soreness, they are DEFINATELY not the same thing.

I don't blame my trainers at all, and cannot wait until I can go back and continue to improve my physical conditioning, though I will now know to watch myself and make sure I dont push my body over the line. At least I will maybe get a free shirt out if it.

A growing trend?

Man what a Fucktard.

When I was in the Army, if the above had happened to any of the soldiers under my direction, my career as a Ranger would have been toast.

I can't wait till they kill someone; watching Cooch scurry for cover while simultaneously throwing people under the bus is going to great.

I predict Couch escapes clean as a whistle from the impending @Fit collapse. I suspect he is well-insulated.

And also, faggotry marches on...

CrossFit Green Bay Packers(?!)

I was on my team's web-site this a.m. and saw the interview with Dave Redding the Packer's Strength and Conditioning Coach. I was floored with the gross similarities between how he is training professional football players and what we do at CF. If you have nothing better to do with your time, it's pretty interesting (although the total interview is pretty long, 20 minutes).

WFS:

http://www.packers.com/

Go to the right side of the page, you'll see the videos and click on "Dave Redding Strength Coord. April 1 Interview"

T200 wrote:And also, faggotry marches on...

CrossFit Green Bay Packers(?!)

I was on my team's web-site this a.m. and saw the interview with Dave Redding the Packer's Strength and Conditioning Coach. I was floored with the gross similarities between how he is training professional football players and what we do at CF. If you have nothing better to do with your time, it's pretty interesting (although the total interview is pretty long, 20 minutes).

WFS:

http://www.packers.com/

Go to the right side of the page, you'll see the videos and click on "Dave Redding Strength Coord. April 1 Interview"

This hurts, my beloved Packers....

T200 wrote:I don't blame my trainers at all, and cannot wait until I can go back and continue to improve my physical conditioning, though I will now know to watch myself and make sure I dont push my body over the line. At least I will maybe get a free shirt out if it.

"Crossfit almost killed me, and (rather than sue for negligence like any sane person) all i got was this lousy T-Shirt"

"Gas, Grass, or Ass, nobody affiliates for free"

"Titties and Gin, the breakfast of champions"

"Crossfit, the best preparation for an event, is death"