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That's been my experience. Heat exhaustion/stroke once -> repeated heatstroke. The same guys had problems, again & again.Batboy2/75 wrote: A medic once explained to me that if you suffer heat stroke it was like busting your internal thermostat. From there on out your body is going to be all fucked up.
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Why is GSP wearing a wig?coop wrote:
this girl is very attractive but looks like she is starting to turn... esp around the shoulders. what say you?
I considered qualifying my statement but stuck with glib. It's a recreational course for ages 7-90. The Grand Canyon even has drinking fountains these days. If the goal was to put in a good time, I think he carried too much water, and significantly more than what others must normally carry.Batboy2/75 wrote:Sorry spells but your quote above is silly and down right moronic.Grandpa's Spells wrote:Bringing 2.5 gallons of water on something easily completed in under 2 hrs. is silly.
Better to have water and not need it, than need the water and not have it. I've seen healthy athletic young men suffer from heat stroke in less than 2 hours of physical activity.
This is one of those topics you can not compare yourself against other people. How susceptible you are to heat is a very individual thing. What you could easily finish in 2 hours without water could kill another person. This is one of the main reasons if you visit a Army or USMC basic training center you'll find soldiers and marines walking around (even in the barracks) with a canteen. You are taught very early in basic training to drink water, lots of water.
A medic once explained to me that if you suffer heat stroke it was like busting your internal thermostat. From there on out your body is going to be all fucked up.
Grandpa's Spells wrote:I considered qualifying my statement but stuck with glib. It's a recreational course for ages 7-90. The Grand Canyon even has drinking fountains these days. If the goal was to put in a good time, I think he carried too much water, and significantly more than what others must normally carry.Batboy2/75 wrote:Sorry spells but your quote above is silly and down right moronic.Grandpa's Spells wrote:Bringing 2.5 gallons of water on something easily completed in under 2 hrs. is silly.
Better to have water and not need it, than need the water and not have it. I've seen healthy athletic young men suffer from heat stroke in less than 2 hours of physical activity.
This is one of those topics you can not compare yourself against other people. How susceptible you are to heat is a very individual thing. What you could easily finish in 2 hours without water could kill another person. This is one of the main reasons if you visit a Army or USMC basic training center you'll find soldiers and marines walking around (even in the barracks) with a canteen. You are taught very early in basic training to drink water, lots of water.
A medic once explained to me that if you suffer heat stroke it was like busting your internal thermostat. From there on out your body is going to be all fucked up.
I could be wrong, but I thought there were some specific issues that made heatstroke a higher risk for military personnel (shaved heads, BDUs, etc.) that civilians aren't normally exposed to. Otherwise you would expect to see it in summertime soccer, cross country, etc., and that is not common. OTOH, I had a friend fall out on the beach one day when we were 18 after some Frisbee, but he had the cropped hair and no hat. Very scary to see.
Place is such a scam.Ed Zachary wrote:LOLCharismatic megafauna wrote:From POD's link above. A legit Crossfit success story. Quit to succeed.
I have received a few emails asking about my gym status, so here’s the update: I haven’t joined a new gym. I started running and working out at the beach/park/home on my own.
Since being thrown out of CrossfitLA in December
Number of supportive emails I’ve received from CrossfitLA gym members: 6
Money saved: $1240
Weight gained: 0lbs
Races run: 3
Minutes off my 5K time: 4.5
Drunken push-up contests won: 2
http://www.therealmalingering.com/page/4/
I just read that and thought the exact same thing.
What makes military personnel higher risk for heat stroke is moving long distances with a ton of weight on their bodies.
Yep.Thud wrote:So his performance was hindered by his workout, even though his workouts are supposed to better prepare him for random tasks?
Ever since I fully shaved my head, my cranium feels heat and cold more intensely and more quickly. Regarding heat, the sweat drips off immediately like it would if you dripped it on a hard boiled egg so I suspect evaporative cooling is lessened. I think hair provides an insulation layer and keeps perspiration on your head longer where it can evaporate and cool you. This is without the helmet of coarse.Batboy2/75 wrote:As for shaved heads? I've never heard that one before. Since most heat is lost via the head, I would think that a shaved head would help dissipate the heat build up. What probably doesn't help is wearing a kevlar helmet.
Mao wrote:Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party
I have to side with Spells on this one. He carried a shit-ton of water for a climb that has a pub at the top-out. Besides, I checked the weather report for Vancouver and the temps were in the mid-50s with a 5 kt wind from the west. OK I'm just making that up but I'm probably not far from the truth. Sucks to lose to a girl, though.Grandpa's Spells wrote:I considered qualifying my statement but stuck with glib. It's a recreational course for ages 7-90. The Grand Canyon even has drinking fountains these days. If the goal was to put in a good time, I think he carried too much water, and significantly more than what others must normally carry.
Don't forget the CultFit Hiking Cert.protobuilder wrote:Since when does a healthy, young, male Cultfitter get BEAT THE HELL DOWN by a measly 20 lb pack????
Prepared for anything? Hell, not even prepared for carrying water on a hike.
I can see it now....Cultfit Hiking!! Like Cultfit...only completely different!
Couple of things- Hair probably does have an insulating factor. However, until the last couple of years no one in the Army was allowed to save their heads, out side of basic training. Even then in basic training hair is allowed to grow out into a buzz cut look and then cut into a high and tight. After basic training you have the option of growing your hair out within Army regulations.The Bastard Son of the Shafman wrote:Shave skull = more vulnerability to both cold and heat. Especially sun.
Too much sun on the noggin bakes the brain, even with sunblock applied.
I've been going to a local Crossfit to get help on my squat and power clean form, and I'm thrilled with the results--my squat now looks a lot more like the form check videos that you approve of and I've gone from being stuck to making steady progress.
But I've also been exposed to Crossfit programming, in particular on pullups. A typical dose of pullups there is 3 rounds of 15 reps with a band that lets me get about 8 in a row, in combination with two other exercises, done for time. So by the last round I'm only able to do singles, then my muscles get to total failure so someone starts pushing me up to the bar, meanwhile people are cheering me on. (To me the cheering as a spotter pushes me up to the bar seems a bit like saying "It's all you" on the spotter-assisted bench press, but maybe that's just me.)
Before I started going there, I had been doing band-assisted pullups on my own and had already gotten a couple unassisted ones, but doing pullups at Crossfit twice a week made my pullup ability go backwards. I also stalled on press and bench press. After pondering PP, in particular page 173, I decided to Just Say No to the crossfit pullup program and my press and bench press have started progressing again.
Nurse, somebody get his man some kool-aid fast!protobuilder wrote:LMAOCultBuster wrote:http://www.board.crossfit.com/showthrea ... post602898CrossFit Did Not Prepare Me For This....
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So today, my girlfriend and I decided to do a hike called the 'Grouse Grind', to say it is hard is an understatement. I have never done it before and decided to do the WOD this morning (Deadlift 1-1-1-1-1-1-1)!!!!
The 'Grind' is basically a set of steps cut into a mountain. Here's some stats:
Length: 2.9km
Elevation Gain: 2,800 ft (2830 stairs)
Official Record: 26:19
http://www.grousemountain.com/Summer... ... ind.aspYou must indicate if your links are Work and Fmaily Safe (WFS)
With a 20lb Camelbak pack it took me 1:20:00 to complete, the GF did it in
00:58:00. I have been doing CF religiously since the beginning of Jan but nothing prepared me for this!!!!!!!!
Am I wrong to assume CF would prepare me for something like this???? I figured with all the squats, leg exercises, etc I would be in good stead.
No we ignore science and daya. This is telling. Your GF kicked your ass on a recreational climb.
The responses are even better:
questioning the cult wrote:CF promises to make you fast and strong PERIOD, not fast for a big guy or strong for a little guy. If I trained 3 on 1 off with workouts that were designed to punish my body and test my will, I'd expect to perform more than 12% better than average (lets keep in mind what average is here, it's the average hiker, not the average athlete, climber, runner, or anything else). The fact that he did some heavy pulls before he went isn't a mitigating factor either, if you're training "for life" and your life includes frequent high intensity workouts, you can't blame a disappointing performance in another physical area on the fact that you were sore or already trained that day. The training is part of your life, your performance in other areas must take that into account.
I want to be clear this isn't a knock against Dean, I think it's cool that he questioned his programming after something like this. We can't write off negative data points out of hand, they are equally important for shaping an effective individual program.
Schools have eliminated recess. The schools that still have recess have eliminated metal playground equipment--monkey bars, jungle gyms, and that half-globe honeycomb looking thing. Kids don't leave the ground anymore.The Bastard Son of the Shafman wrote:In my first grade class we had a fitness contest that I remember distinctly. I was able to do 11 pull ups as a first grader, but wasn't even close to winning, it was right in the middle for boys. The winner was a farm kid who did 22...2x the number of pull ups I did. Only one kid couldn't do at least 1.
Nowadays there are very few kids who can do even 1 pull up.
Chris, thanks for the thoughtful post and YES, a paleo (quality first) followed by Zone (proportionality) is the likely best route to optimum health and performance. I’m not sure what the disconnect is with this in HQ but it starts feeling a lot like “We are going to argue this point until we are the winners” regardless of the content of the argument. On the one hand I have this sense that I’m being portrayed as some kind of tee-totaler who advocates we never go off the paleo-reservation. When I make the point this is not the case but that food quality IS important the argument shifts to “Elite performance only requires adherance to quality foods 50-60% of the time…”
Come again? When I hear numbers like this thrown around to a COMPLETELY unquantified situation it really raises my hackles. Interestingly THIS is the realm of pseudo science, citing hard numbers for a very soft scenario. This does BTW remind me of the apparent “20% slop” we are supposed to be embracing within CrossFit…that will be another popular blog post…
Anyway, like Chris mentioned, folks who are turning top numbers are eating “clean” much more than 50% of the time…this is just a fact. If we wanted to get SLIGHTLY scientific about it I could send out a nutrition survey to all the qualifiers to the games, but this is only as good as people’s memories and honesty, so not super, but it would be something. The reality is people notice when they eat like shit too frequently, that frequency varies from person to person, and based on what the particular nature of the crappy food is. That’s actually a much more accurate portrayal of elite fueling than some arbitrary percentage. This also reflects what people actually experience especially with regards to the quality piece. In the nutrition cert the topic of cheat meals is always a popular piece. I lay out two different scenarios. The first is a beer+pizza bender, the second is a nachos+tequila schwa-re. I tell people to try each one and let me know which one they feel like more shit from. Inevitably, the nachos+tequila leaves people much happier the next day than the pizza+beer. Why? Pizza+beer is a truck-load of gluten. Coach Glassman told me he does not really buy the gluten gig. I also remember Coach talking about dropping a stack of research literally 2-3 feet thick on the desk of some physician who was decrying the Zone as dangerous….but the doctor would simply ignore the literature and still damn the Zone. I’m certainly feeling like that with regards tot he gut-health gluten gig. I guess the response is the same as what they used with the static about hyperinsulinism…ignore it and press on.
Which brings in to question the ethics of these sop called experts. Would you continue doing business with someone like couch; a person you routinely disagree with?protobuilder wrote:Their 'experts' (e.g., Ripp, their diet guy Wolff, Everett etc) routinely disagree with Cultfit and it's principles, as designed, applied and taught by Couch. The only one who thinks it's a good plan are (a) Couch, and (b) his intelligence-deficient followers.
I don't really blame the cultists though. They simply don't know that they don't know. Couch knows that he doesn't know, and profits from it.
