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Barry Cooper wrote:As far as Coach Glassman relative to Zatstiorsky, the former has over 1,000 affiliates doing workouts along his principles daily. Figure 20 workouts per affiliate, that is about 20,000 CrossFit workouts daily. Add to that people doing it on their own--including many military units--and the number likely climbs closer to 30-40,000.

The Backstreet Boys sold millions and millions of records. I'm not sure this proves that the Backstreet Boys had any talent.

Sharibaby is posting new pics.

Peter Pan Syndrome is so much funnier with women.

http://sharikeener.blogspot.com/2009/08 ... k-one.html

Kazuya Mishima wrote:Sharibaby is posting new pics.

Peter Pan Syndrome is so much funnier with women.

http://sharikeener.blogspot.com/2009/08 ... k-one.html

Hotter and dirtier too.

As usual, a bumbling and inept Tony Budding comes in trying to put the spin on it. If Budding was a lawyer, he'd be the drunken, incompetent public defender at the seediest, dirtiest night court in the United States, taking blowjobs from hookers on a frequent basis pretending he knows someone.

Tony Budding replied to comment from Tobias Neal…

Tobias,
I think your question is directed to the wrong person. He had pointed but empty words. He offered no facts, no data, no evidence. Only the claim that it was incomplete and dishonest. Russell has made an open and thorough argument with evidence-based conclusions. This is a forum for intelligent debate. Evidence-free accusations are not intelligent. John's post (copied below) is like accusing someone of being a witch. John calls on Russell to give more facts, but what is wrong with his keyboard? I suspect that if John really had something to say, he would have said it himself.

John's post...
Russell Burger: as someone who was at that same exact seminar all I can say is shame on you. I would expect someone aspiring to get back into the Rangers would have a higher degree of integrity and sense of respect and honor.

Your article is dishonest and you know it. You owe the Gym Jones organization an apology and the rest of the XFit community the full story.

John Frieh
Portland, OR
Comment #224 - Posted by: John Frieh at August 9, 2009 4:26 PM

This whole Gym Jones thing is a prime example of the Cultfit culture based on fear and insecurity. Fear and insecurity is the lynchpin of Glassman's entire enterprise. From his brooding, angry narcissim developed over many years of "not quite good enough, Greg" to all the skintight Affliction shirts, tats, and mohawks the Crossfit bois flaunt today. If you're hot shit, you don't feel teh need to tell everyone. You just DO. These fuckers are so insecure, they literally go LOOKING to tear people down and, thus, falsely build themselves up.

What an embarassment.

There's safety in numbers
When you learn to divide
How can we be in
If there is no outside
All shades of opinion
Feed an open mind
But your values are twisted
Let us help you unwind
You may look like we do
Talk like we do
but you know how it is
You're not one of us

- Peter Gabriel

protobuilder wrote:. Fear and insecurity is the lynchpin of Glassman's entire enterprise. From his brooding, angry narcissim developed over many years

Truth.

And those who remain loyal also will be insecure. The defensiveness of x-fit is epic. I am reaching out to Glassman in the hopes of being able to offer psychotherapy certs.

Kazuya Mishima wrote:Sharibaby is posting new pics.

Peter Pan Syndrome is so much funnier with women.

http://sharikeener.blogspot.com/2009/08 ... k-one.html

She seems so sad. Someone should really step up already, get a few buddies together, and fill her out like an application.

WildGorillaMan wrote:

Kazuya Mishima wrote:Sharibaby is posting new pics.

Peter Pan Syndrome is so much funnier with women.

http://sharikeener.blogspot.com/2009/08 ... k-one.html

Hotter and dirtier too.

She entering the Nina Hartley Zone.

GoDogGo! wrote:

WildGorillaMan wrote:

Kazuya Mishima wrote:Sharibaby is posting new pics.

Peter Pan Syndrome is so much funnier with women.

http://sharikeener.blogspot.com/2009/08 ... k-one.html

Hotter and dirtier too.

She entering the Nina Hartley Zone.

She's going to start doing "Blacks on Moms" porn?

Russell/#343

Where to start?

- My biggest “WTF?” is why were you dishonest with everyone else at the seminar… especially the Gym Jones staff? Why not clearly call out that you were an affiliate owner/crossfit trainer? You had the opportunity to state your intentions/who was funding your attendance a number of times but you choose to say it was you paying for it and you were there in hopes of getting ready for getting back into the Rangers… not writing a Journal article. Why the dishonestly at the seminar? And why didn’t you state that you lied to everyone during introductions? When I did my introduction I stated very clearly that I was an L1 trainer at an affiliate in Portland, OR and had done seminars at some other “competitors” including Mountain Athlete in Jackson, Wyoming… in lieu of my affiliations with CrossFit and Mountain Athlete Mark and the staff didn’t ask me to leave or make fun of those seminars… he was welcoming from the start.

- On page 2 you talk about your clients getting overuse injuries from following Gym Jones programming. Why not point out the fact that (all caps because even though this has been stated over and over including on the Gym Jones site people seem to miss the point):

WHAT IS POSTED ON SCHEDULE PORTION OF THE GYM JONES SITE IS A RECORD OF SOME (NOT ALL) THE WORKOUTS THAT WERE DONE THAT DAY. EVERYONE AT GYM JONES IS NOT DOING THE SAME WORKOUT AND VERY OFTEN WHAT THEY DID DOES NOT APPEAR ON THE PAGE. IF YOU ATTEMPTED TO FOLLOW THE WORKOUTS (I.E. DO WHATEVER WAS POSTED EACH DAY) YOU WOULD MOST LIKELY INJURY YOURSELF OR SEE DIMISHED RETURNS.

Mark explained very clearly how their website works (like I stated above)… why not say “Oh… this is why trying to follow their daily posted workouts like I did with my clients is dumb and dangerous”…?

- Josh is a road bike racer not mountain bike racer. Since his short time at Gym Jones he has steadily jumped categories; he attributes his success to the programming/methodology at Gym Jones. Related to that saying that no one at Gym Jones has had success is stupid… Mark talked about a famous baseball player working with them (I know you can remember that). Need more athletes? http://www.gymjones.com/schedule.php?date=20081101 Gym Jones has had some of the best in the world… they just choose to respect the individuals privacy and not flaunt it.

- If you feel the zone diet is the best diet I think that is great… diet is a challenge for us all. With that said if you like the zone so much why did you hang around after the seminar was over and have an in depth discussion with some of the other Rangers and Mark regarding how to eat in the field when all you have is MREs? Mark stayed to after 9 pm (the seminar ended at 5 pm!) so he could ensure every and all your questions for your upcoming “big hike” were answered.

- Related to diet: Mark gave you solid data from his vast experience with Special Forces groups to date and was able to provide you specifics on what % BF was most likely to pass selection (he encouraged you to put on some fat… remember?), what types of protein are better than others for use during the big hike, when you should consume certain items in your MREs, methods of recovery during the big hike, and on and on. Why not mention any of that in the article? Mark stayed hours after the seminar was done to help you prep for your goals and now you are pulling the rug out from underneath him. WTF?

- You and I both know based on all those plaques on the wall that Mark’s data is not small and insufficient. There is a reason Mark knew what was painted on the wall at Fort Benning: “Get Big and Be Somebody!”

- Your “Jonescrawl” time is not the fastest time at Gym Jones ever… you and I specifically discussed your time and the fact that you missed the record by a few seconds and you complained that you wished you had known that as you thought you could have gone a little faster. That said it was great to cheer you on to a fast time! I was the one timing you/counting your reps… remember? Why did you state in your article that you were the fastest time when we specifically discussed that you almost had the fastest time? Was it an attempt to validate your style of box jumps?

- For all the things Mark did for you… your luggage was lost on your flight out so Mark did his best to make sure you had everything you needed to be able to still participate, he asked you if you wanted to put your iPod on for the final workout (which you did), he stayed way late on Sunday to ensure you and the other aspiring Rangers had all your questions answers and not once did you mention you were going to write this article. WTF?

- You kept making the point over and over in your article: “deviation from CrossFit” or “opposite of CrossFit” etc etc. I guess my points would be:

Is Gym Jones ripping off CrossFit? If they are then why are they so different from CrossFit as you kept pointing out over and over? Or if they really are different (and wrong) then who cares? Which one is it?

I find it genuinely disappointing that the CrossFit community is so polarized around “them vs. us”… Mark Twight and the Gym Jones staff is just one of many many excellent programs out there (Mountain Athlete, Dan John, Steve Maxwell, Javorek, the Ice Chamber, Monkey Bar Gym, etc etc) that would only enrich CrossFit… yet it seems to me that the majority of CrossFitters out there will only embrace that what has be “Ordained by St. Glassman”...

You all are seriously missing out on some valuable programming insight that would seriously enrich your training goals. The seminar was of such high quality and value to me (it really is worth 1800 and unlike some other people I actually paid for mine out of pocket) I have since returned to Gym Jones for more private training and discussion around programming. Doing so has also yielded great returns in my sports.

John Frieh
Portland, OR

Comment #353 - Posted by: John Frieh at August 10, 2009 10:25 AM



I like this guy...
I was worried it might disappear like the "Non sequitur" posts written about me a few years ago.

Wow. Class act.

That will be deleted or a venomous tirade will follow from Couch or Lynn, et al.

http://robbwolf.com/?p=685

For some damn reason CrossFit HQ (or elements so of it) can not wrap their minds around the concept that the basic premise of the paleo diet, that nice bit of writing from World Class Fitness in 100 Words: “…Eat meat and vegetables, nuts and seeds. Some fruit, little starch, no sugar…” is in fact everything that Barry Sears talks about in the Zone! Sometime ago I received confused emails from people who attended a closed to the public gig in which the HQ lecturer, when asked “What about paleo?” responded “Paleo is pseudo science and the individuals who purport it’s methods are pseudo scientists…”

Despite defying logic AND the actual stated nutritional hierarchy within Crossfit (don’t piss in your gas tank) the order of operations out of HQ is NOT food quality first (paleo), weighing and measuring second. It’s weigh and measure, whatever you have on hand and THAT will guarantee your ultimate success.

Budding won't bother coming back with a limp dicked and ineffectual reply. He's going to have to bump it up.

What I find hilarious is anyone at @FHQ ('cept maybe Kilgore, but he's not really at HQ) has the gall/delusions to accuse anyone else of pseudo-science...yet again.

Cordain has been published in more journals across more disciplines than anyone else ever. He must be really good to keep sneaking stuff by all the peer reviewers!!!

As we always will be, still waiting on a published study of @F in ANY reputable non-CFJ journal. The sound of crickets, anyone?

Russell sounds like a good guy.

Resident Quack wrote:As we always will be, still waiting on a published study of @F in ANY reputable non-CFJ journal. The sound of crickets, anyone?

You have to realize, @fit doesn't need proven methods and fancy pants scientists who actually study the human body to tell them what to do, they just make it up as they go along.

They just need RESULTS!

And please, I still don't understand these results they speak of. Where are they?

Ed Zachary wrote:

GoDogGo! wrote:

WildGorillaMan wrote:

Kazuya Mishima wrote:Sharibaby is posting new pics.

Peter Pan Syndrome is so much funnier with women.

http://sharikeener.blogspot.com/2009/08 ... k-one.html

Hotter and dirtier too.

She entering the Nina Hartley Zone.

She's going to start doing "Blacks on Moms" porn?

I meant how she went from being a standard (although non-standardly enthusiastic) porn actress to MILF and now GILF without slowing down. She's still in remarkable shape, at least the last I saw; a few years ago admittedly.

Fish wrote:And please, I still don't understand these results they speak of. Where are they?

Right here.....

http://www.crossfit.com/cf-affiliates/leysafrica_b.jpg

Are you seriously posting pics of overhead squatting poor African kids while on vacation?

WTF!

RPC wrote:http://www.crossfit.com/cf-affiliates/leysafrica_b.jpg

Are you seriously posting pics of overhead squatting poor African kids while on vacation?

WTF!

Someone please kill those fucks. Now.

That is possibly the worst of the many editions of @Fit OH squat foolishness. I am truly amazed by that one.

Flexibility is apparently an elite fitness modality. It is impressive enough that when it occurs, photographs must be taken.