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Ugh

Whole lot of bowlsheet.

Teach your child to think for themselves and not to let a book with many editors dictate how they should live.

Your notions of social responsibility and universal love are the remnants of deistic thinking inherent in all human beings.

Man, on the highest spiritual, mental, and physical level KNOWS there is a God.

For you to tell me that you really believe there isn't a God or a human soul yet you still live your life believing "We owe it to them (people, planet and life in general) to treat each other well" means you're either dishonest with yourself or you're a damn idiot.

A true atheist -- someone who 110% believes in atheist philosophy -- could not be anything other than a cold-blooded narcissistic psychopath.

If all there is is this one life to live and nothing more then all life is meaningless and all things are permitted. Love, hate, rape, kindness, murder, torture, charity... they all lead to the same place, a dead end. There's no reason to give a shit about anyone or anything if all there is at the end of the road for everyone is just nothingness, unless there is some immediate benefit to us personally.

To be anything other than that while still claiming you're an atheist just makes you a hypocrite.

Ed Zachary wrote:Ugh

Whole lot of bowlsheet.

Teach your child to think for themselves and not to let a book with many editors dictate how they should live.

Another passive-aggressive attack at people who believe in God.

What exactly is "thinking for oneself"? Does someone who willfully believes in God think for themselves, or are they a puppet, according to you? Why couldn't someone of their own thought come to the conclusion that God and the Bible are true?

What does "teach your child to think for themselves" even mean? It's an oxymoron. The very act of teaching means you're telling them how to think. It's like saying "force your kids to be free."

Question: Do you let your kids eat whatever they want? Do you let them do whatever they want? If your obese Cheeto-munching daughter told you she's running away to Thailand with some 60-yr-old dude she met on the internet, would you be cool with that? So when it comes to what they put in their body, there's right and wrong. When it comes to their actions, there's right and wrong. But when it comes to what they should think - Ahh, hell, just think whatever you damn well please. Great parenting. Cuz a kid doesn't know he shouldn't eat cookies for dinner but he's somehow qualified to speak on the existence of God and other core issues.

Face it. A lot of you hate God because you don't want anyone telling you the way you're living your life is wrong, so you're passing that rebellion and hatred down to your kids any way you can. Your "teach them to think for themselves" really means "let them think anything, as long as it's not God or the Bible or any of that nonsense I don't believe in."

Kraj 2.0 wrote:blah blah blah

Post some more shit you imaginary faggot.

Teach a child to think for themself and let them make their own decision.

What part of that do you not understand you stupid fucking moron?

Unlike a religious zealot I don't force my beliefs on my kid.

So fuck off and die.

so my wife asked me to go to church with her so I went to her small hometown congregation where the preacher man told me about a guy named Jonah who lived inside a whale for 3 days. Unfortunately I was sober at the time so the story was not as fun as it could have been if I was on shrooms.

That was 4 years ago and my wife has not invited me back since.

and that my friends, is how you raise an atheist.

I go to church every sunday I'm home.

I see it as a bible study. I don't believe and I don't need belief to be happy with my life.

I don't disparage believers. I only ask that they don't force their beliefs on me.

Ed Zachary wrote:

Kraj 2.0 wrote:blah blah blah

Post some more shit you imaginary faggot.

Teach a child to think for themself and let them make their own decision.

What part of that do you not understand you stupid fucking moron?

Unlike a religious zealot I don't force my beliefs on my kid.

So fuck off and die.

Wow, you really hit on all points there, chief. Kinda hard to force your beliefs on your kid when you don't have any to begin with. The only thing your kid can learn from you is that if your frustrated at getting schooled you can just lash out in a profanity-laden tirade. Then again, kids already know that. It's called being a spoiled little brat.

Kraj 2.0 wrote:blah blah blah

more bullshit

doesn't make you less of a faggot

And you can't schooled by Mickey Mouse anymore than you can be schooled by you.

Ed Zachary wrote:

Kraj 2.0 wrote:blah blah blah

more bullshit

doesn't make you less of a faggot

I make valid points that destroy your every argument = Bullshit

You pout and whine like a spoiled preschooler = Totally cool

For someone who's fresh off the horrible tragedy you described in the other thread, you sure are quick to throw out the "fuck off and die" card. Way to keep it classy.

Kraj 2.0 wrote:

Ed Zachary wrote:

Kraj 2.0 wrote:blah blah blah

more bullshit

doesn't make you less of a faggot

I make valid points that destroy your every argument = Bullshit

You pout and whine like a spoiled preschooler = Totally cool

For someone who's fresh off the horrible tragedy you described in the other thread, you sure are quick to throw out the "fuck off and die" card. Way to keep it classy.

LOL

Keep reaching pirate/ninja/astronaut!

And don't bring my wife's real pain into your imaginary world you fake fuck.

Ed Zachary wrote:I go to church every sunday I'm home.

I see it as a bible study. I don't believe and I don't need belief to be happy with my life.

I don't disparage believers. I only ask that they don't force their beliefs on me.

No way to disagree with this.

Ed Zachary wrote:And don't bring my wife's real pain into your imaginary world you fake fuck.

Attention-seeking drama-whore posts info for all world to see.

Attention-seeking drama-whore then says "stay out of my business."

LOL. You're a piece of work, Ed. If you don't want me bringing your wife's pain into my imaginary world (whatever the hell that means) then don't bring your wife's pain into my imaginary world. My comment was super-respectful. If you can't deal with that then don't post your problems on a public message board.

Kraj 2.0 wrote: For you to tell me that you really believe there isn't a God or a human soul yet you still live your life believing "We owe it to them (people, planet and life in general) to treat each other well" means you're either dishonest with yourself or you're a damn idiot. A true atheist -- someone who 110% believes in atheist philosophy -- could not be anything other than a cold-blooded narcissistic psychopath. To be anything other than that while still claiming you're an atheist just makes you a hypocrite.

I will never forget this topic coming-up here 5+ years ago. My daughter is my first born and was a crawling rug rat at the time. Those of you who are dads fully know how much your world perspective changes when your first child is born. No matter how many have told us our view changes, none of us 'got it' until we became fathers. I had my doubts about God for most of my life, to include calling myself an atheist in my teens, but they left when my daughter was born.

I (respectfully) asked the atheists if they love their families (specifically, their kids). The resounding and mostly snippety responses were "of course I do! What does that have to do with God, asshole????" That kind of thing. I think it was Andy who said science proved that love is just some function of our brain and nothing more, ect. Given their hardcore and dismissive responses to a higher power in ever other aspect of their lives or humanity, when it came to family, things got touchy.

I don't believe that animals 'love' their mates or offspring (and no, your fucking dogs and/or cats and/or birds and/or fish don't love you, no matter how much you or I 'love' them, either). They don't conceptualize faith, the future or the afterlife, either. I'm not a religious guy per se, but those and many more gifts (and challenges) must come from some sort of higher power to humans, for whatever reason, IMHO.

I can't see how a bonafide, hardcore, true to the bone atheist can possibly 'love' a family. What would be the point if every other aspect of your life is simply for the collective survival of us as organisms?

I'm not finger pointing here, I just can't see how people who call themselves atheists can cherish anything.

Kraj 2.0 wrote:

Ed Zachary wrote:And don't bring my wife's real pain into your imaginary world you fake fuck.

Attention-seeking drama-whore posts info for all world to see.

Attention-seeking drama-whore then says "stay out of my business."

LOL. You're a piece of work, Ed. If you don't want me bringing your wife's pain into my imaginary world (whatever the hell that means) then don't bring your wife's pain into my imaginary world. My comment was super-respectful. If you can't deal with that then don't post your problems on a public message board.

Kraj.

Step the fuck off. You're a weak cunt all around and getting softer with every tepid post.

Unlike your persona, EZ has actual friends on this board.

High Velocity Lie-Nap! wrote:

Kraj 2.0 wrote: For you to tell me that you really believe there isn't a God or a human soul yet you still live your life believing "We owe it to them (people, planet and life in general) to treat each other well" means you're either dishonest with yourself or you're a damn idiot. A true atheist -- someone who 110% believes in atheist philosophy -- could not be anything other than a cold-blooded narcissistic psychopath. To be anything other than that while still claiming you're an atheist just makes you a hypocrite.

I will never forget this topic coming-up here 5+ years ago. My daughter is my first born and was a crawling rug rat at the time. Those of you who are dads fully know how much your world perspective changes when your first child is born. No matter how many have told us our view changes, none of us 'got it' until we became fathers. I had my doubts about God for most of my life, to include calling myself an atheist in my teens, but they left when my daughter was born.

I (respectfully) asked the atheists if they love their families (specifically, their kids). The resounding and mostly snippety responses were "of course I do! What does that have to do with God, asshole????" That kind of thing. I think it was Andy who said science proved that love is just some function of our brain and nothing more, ect. Given their hardcore and dismissive responses to a higher power in ever other aspect of their lives or humanity, when it came to family, things got touchy.

I don't believe that animals 'love' their mates or offspring (and no, your fucking dogs and/or cats and/or birds and/or fish don't love you, no matter how much you or I 'love' them, either). They don't conceptualize faith, the future or the afterlife, either. I'm not a religious guy per se, but those and many more gifts (and challenges) must come from some sort of higher power to humans, for whatever reason, IMHO.

I can't see how a bonafide, hardcore, true to the bone atheist can possibly 'love' a family. What would be the point if every other aspect of your life is simply for the collective survival of us as organisms?

I'm not finger pointing here, I just can't see how people who call themselves atheists can cherish anything.

Setting aside the nonsense that there is any such thing as an atheist philosophy..any more than there is a one true hard core christian philosophy....Your lack of imagination does not change the fact that we do.

There is no god. I am as sure of this as Turd is that there is one. Neither of us have any lessor or greater capability to love or hate becuase of it.

I will admit to a profound dislike of religion in all its forms but can't really fault anyone for their devout passionate beliefs....It's like NASCAR, of course I think it's a bit silly but, you know, a lot of people enjoy it, it's real loud and sometimes a fell wants to drink cold beer and not think for a while.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:

High Velocity Lie-Nap! wrote:

Kraj 2.0 wrote: For you to tell me that you really believe there isn't a God or a human soul yet you still live your life believing "We owe it to them (people, planet and life in general) to treat each other well" means you're either dishonest with yourself or you're a damn idiot. A true atheist -- someone who 110% believes in atheist philosophy -- could not be anything other than a cold-blooded narcissistic psychopath. To be anything other than that while still claiming you're an atheist just makes you a hypocrite.

I will never forget this topic coming-up here 5+ years ago. My daughter is my first born and was a crawling rug rat at the time. Those of you who are dads fully know how much your world perspective changes when your first child is born. No matter how many have told us our view changes, none of us 'got it' until we became fathers. I had my doubts about God for most of my life, to include calling myself an atheist in my teens, but they left when my daughter was born.

I (respectfully) asked the atheists if they love their families (specifically, their kids). The resounding and mostly snippety responses were "of course I do! What does that have to do with God, asshole????" That kind of thing. I think it was Andy who said science proved that love is just some function of our brain and nothing more, ect. Given their hardcore and dismissive responses to a higher power in ever other aspect of their lives or humanity, when it came to family, things got touchy.

I don't believe that animals 'love' their mates or offspring (and no, your fucking dogs and/or cats and/or birds and/or fish don't love you, no matter how much you or I 'love' them, either). They don't conceptualize faith, the future or the afterlife, either. I'm not a religious guy per se, but those and many more gifts (and challenges) must come from some sort of higher power to humans, for whatever reason, IMHO.

I can't see how a bonafide, hardcore, true to the bone atheist can possibly 'love' a family. What would be the point if every other aspect of your life is simply for the collective survival of us as organisms?

I'm not finger pointing here, I just can't see how people who call themselves atheists can cherish anything.

Your lack of imagination does not change the fact that we do.

There is no god, I am as sure of this as Turd is that there is one. Neither of us have any lessor or greater capability to love or hate becuase of it.

What, IYO, gives you or any of us this capability in the first place?

that is irrelevant to me in every possible way. In my opinion it could be any number of things, none of which change the underlying fact that I love ergo I do. I do not need a sky pixie to make that ok.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:that is irrelevant to me in every possible way. In my opinion it could be any number of things, none of which change the underlying fact that I love ergo I do. I do not need a sky pixie to make that ok.

You accuse me of a lack of imagination yet don't offer any opinions or rationale as to why you do love. It just doesn't matter, you just do. OK.

You must also be of the belief that you and those you love have no souls and when you're dead, it's done. Do I understand you correctly?

I mean no disrespect, it genuinely makes no sense to me how alleged atheists can say there is no higher power, yet have so much passion for family (as the most in one's face example of what I perceive as a conflict).

Is there a question?

Chemistry/physics/Gene sequencing/phermones...whatever. I don't understand weak and strong magnetic forces or physics but I trust gravity. It's every bit as real to me as love.

Soul? Ummm no. No such things ghosts either.

Let's flip it around? why do you need a god to love your family?

If you found out conclusive evidence there is a god and he Hates You and intended that you be punished eternally? Would you still love your family?

If there's any justice, I will battle and fuck forever in Valhalla.

FACT.

Depends on how you define love. For me, love is wanting the highest, most absolute "good" for someone. That's possible without a deity, to me.

I just can't see how people who call themselves atheists can cherish anything.

Because you couldn't imaging cherishing (or loving) anything without believing in God, that must mean that nobody else can, either?

It's possible this statement says more about you than it does about atheists.

Also, the obligatory Kraj 2.0 response for his walls of needlessly obtuse comments;

Testiclaw wrote:Depends on how you define love. For me, love is wanting the highest, most absolute "good" for someone. That's possible without a deity, to me.

I just can't see how people who call themselves atheists can cherish anything.

Because you couldn't imaging cherishing (or loving) anything without believing in God, that must mean that nobody else can, either?

It's possible this statement says more about you than it does about atheists.

If a person believes in no higher power, no soul, no afterlife, what's the purpose of giving a shit beyond survival is the essence of my question and I think Kraj's, too.

If a dog, dolphin or chimp has a sick or injured offspring, it gets culled and they move on without any dwelling of the situation. I would think a hardcore atheist would see themselves as having the same end goal of any other living organism without the bells and whistles of values, emotions, love, ect and do the same, as one ugly example. A hardcore atheist would have a sick and ailing child and say 'well that's just natural selection at work'. We all of course know that's not fucking true in any way, shape or form. There's a watered-down atheism--this thread has informed me that 'Atheist Lite' exists.

Live and let live.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:

Kraj 2.0 wrote:Atheists hate religion because it holds them accountable. .

Belief that this one life is all there is, represents the ultimate in self accountability.

I suppose the biggest difference between those that believe and those that don't, is that the above statement is either seen as:

a) self-evident; or

b) a contender for the decade's most inventive non sequitur.

On a not so separate note, I came across this article on the Hoover Institute’s web site, Religious Faith and Charitable Giving by Arthur C. Brooks. It states:

The differences in charity between secular and religious people are dramatic.
Religious people are 25 percentage points more likely than secularists to
donate money (91 percent to 66 percent) and 23 points more likely
to volunteer time (67 percent to 44 percent). And, consistent with the findings of
other writers, these data show that practicing a religion is more important than
the actual religion itself in predicting charitable behavior. For example, among
those who attend worship services regularly, 92 percent of Protestants give
charitably, compared with 91 percent of Catholics, 91 percent of Jews, and 89
percent from other religions.

I'm thankful some people still opt for option "b".