BobW wrote:My wife was a big Obama fan, until that Roanoke speech. She knows the hours I've put into my business - the hundred hour work weeks, working 30-40 hours straight, the fines I've paid for getting bad advice from accountants on maintaining unemployment insurance for myself, which I'll never be able to claim against...and I've never received any government grant or loan.
For fuck's sake, I'm 50 years old, and haven't had a vacation longer than 3 days in the past 8 years. I've had one two week vacation since I started the business in 1992.
I have had numerous other people steal my code, my ideas, my clients, thereby materially impacting our life.
After that single speech - and I didn't say anything, just had her watch it - she's voting against Obama.
Bob, did she watch the speech or the clip? Here's the context:
There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
This seems very innocuous to me since in context the dashes and pronoun make it pretty clear he's talking about infrastructure. If he said "If you've got a business you didn't build it" he could go eat a dick, but he didn't say that.
Go blow Rham. Wait a few months and you can suck Obama's cock too.
"God forbid we tell the savages to go fuck themselves." Batboy
When the USA started out , goverment had very little regulation or impact on buisness beyond roads and having a military.
Now the goverment has it's hand crambed up buisnesse's ass and the econmy still sucks ass.
Central planning does not work and that is what Obama is all about.
All he has ever been was a radical lefty college student, an extortionist (his community organizing was threatening banks with the race card unless they gave broke niggers loans they could never pay back, one of the ladels to the bucket of our current problems) an ivory tower douchbag and a politician.
Romney gave away Daddy's money and then made a shit load.
If you were to chose one or the other to run your company, only an idiot would take the nigger over the morman.
"God forbid we tell the savages to go fuck themselves." Batboy
DARTH wrote:When the USA started out , goverment had very little regulation or impact on buisness beyond roads and having a military.
Now the goverment has it's hand crambed up buisnesse's ass and the econmy still sucks ass.
Central planning does not work and that is what Obama is all about.
All he has ever been was a radical lefty college student, an extortionist (his community organizing was threatening banks with the race card unless they gave broke niggers loans they could never pay back, one of the ladels to the bucket of our current problems) an ivory tower douchbag and a politician.
Romney gave away Daddy's money and then made a shit load.
If you were to chose one or the other to run your company, only an idiot would take the nigger over the morman.
"He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that." JS Mill
I am outraged by the outrage of the outraged. It's outrageous. Really.
"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy.
It is our job to see that it stays there." - George Orwell
While all the small minded bidness men like Drath are busy yanking away on their bootstraps, the big picture bidness men are busy fucking them all in the butt.....
whilst lobbying the government to build them an off ramp from the highway we all paid for.
"He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that." JS Mill
Blaidd Drwg wrote:While all the small minded bidness men like Drath are busy yanking away on their bootstraps, the big picture bidness men are busy fucking them all in the butt.....
whilst lobbying the government to build them an off ramp from the highway we all paid for.
Just curious on your thinking. People who own their own home, did they do that or should they be thanking the government?
The people that the President pointed out that are just as smart, work just as hard but are less successfull. All have access to the same infrastructure, why are they not as successful? Is it the man keeping them down? The other guys are just lucky? If the main thing to ones success is infrastructure why is everone not running their own company?
Blaidd Drwg wrote:While all the small minded bidness men like Drath are busy yanking away on their bootstraps, the big picture bidness men are busy fucking them all in the butt.....
whilst lobbying the government to build them an off ramp from the highway we all paid for.
Just curious on your thinking. People who own their own home, did they do that or should they be thanking the government?
Neither. They didn't do that alone nor does the government deserves the credit.
No man is an island and you'd be an idiot (this place is littered with them) if you thought the relationship between government, business, individuals and organization was anything but symbiotic.
"He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that." JS Mill
BobW hasn't posted back in this thread whether or not he pulled his head out of Faux News' ass long enough to have his wife read the entire part of the speech taken out of context.
The whole way of thinking, that success comes from in a large part from government and infrastructure (you didn't build that), and not that successfull government and infrastructure comes from the success of the individual (taxes) is a flawed way of thinking. For an example of that flawed thinking see intercities.
Lewis Medlock wrote:The whole way of thinking, that success comes from in a large part from government and infrastructure (you didn't build that), and not that successfull government and infrastructure comes from the success of the individual (taxes) is a flawed way of thinking. For an example of that flawed thinking see intercities.
Actually, the most impactful infrastructure project in this country, the Interstate highway system, owes its success to the power of eminent domain...but that messes up the trite little model of Government Vs. da Small Bidnessman.
Snerk at the use of the "inner cities" as an example. This shite is tantamount to Godwin violation.
"He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that." JS Mill
Blaidd Drwg wrote:Actually, the most impactful infrastructure project in this country, the Interstate highway system, owes its success to the power of eminent domain...but that messes up the trite little model of Government Vs. da Small Bidnessman.
Eminet domain? Not to taxes paid and bonds bought?
Blaidd Drwg wrote:Actually, the most impactful infrastructure project in this country, the Interstate highway system, owes its success to the power of eminent domain...but that messes up the trite little model of Government Vs. da Small Bidnessman.
Not to taxes paid and bonds bought?
No.
The fundamental power of eminent domain is what makes interstate roadway projects possible.
This pitched battle about where the credit is due is bullshit to win votes on either end of the middle class.
"He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that." JS Mill
Shit, this thread is about to get fucking stupid. I started it because I thought it was kind of funny and I liked the memes.
I have a one question before I have any others, and I'd prefer it if the new guy went away for a little bit because I'm pretty sure he's at least half retard.
Question: How many people here have ever run a business?
edit: Let's keep the answer to "I have". Keep the philosophy and shit away for a little bit.
"Gentle in what you do, Firm in how you do it"
- Buck Brannaman
baffled wrote:Question: How many people here have ever run a business?
edit: Let's keep the answer to "I have". Keep the philosophy and shit away for a little bit.
I have.
syaigh wrote: The thought of eating that giant veiny monstrosity makes me want to barf.
baffled wrote:Shit, this thread is about to get fucking stupid. I started it because I thought it was kind of funny and I liked the memes.
I have a one question before I have any others, and I'd prefer it if the new guy went away for a little bit because I'm pretty sure he's at least half retard.
Question: How many people here have ever run a business?
edit: Let's keep the answer to "I have". Keep the philosophy and shit away for a little bit.
I have run a business.
I have worked for another.
I am retired.
RETIREMENT FOR THE WIN!
baffled wrote:Shit, this thread is about to get fucking stupid. I started it because I thought it was kind of funny and I liked the memes.
I have a one question before I have any others, and I'd prefer it if the new guy went away for a little bit because I'm pretty sure he's at least half retard.
Question: How many people here have ever run a business?
edit: Let's keep the answer to "I have". Keep the philosophy and shit away for a little bit.
I have run a business.
I have worked for another.
I am retired.
RETIREMENT FOR THE WIN!
Okay, we're up to 4 including me and BobW.
Anyone else?
"Gentle in what you do, Firm in how you do it"
- Buck Brannaman
baffled wrote:Shit, this thread is about to get fucking stupid. I started it because I thought it was kind of funny and I liked the memes.
I have a one question before I have any others, and I'd prefer it if the new guy went away for a little bit because I'm pretty sure he's at least half retard.
Question: How many people here have ever run a business?
edit: Let's keep the answer to "I have". Keep the philosophy and shit away for a little bit.
About to? It was stupid as soon as Obama said it that stupid compounded weekly as the repuglicans tries to make hay with it.
"He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that." JS Mill
baffled wrote:Shit, this thread is about to get fucking stupid. I started it because I thought it was kind of funny and I liked the memes.
I have a one question before I have any others, and I'd prefer it if the new guy went away for a little bit because I'm pretty sure he's at least half retard.
Question: How many people here have ever run a business?
edit: Let's keep the answer to "I have". Keep the philosophy and shit away for a little bit.
About to? It was stupid as soon as Obama said it that stupid compounded weekly as the repuglicans tries to make hay with it.
Stay on point here!
But yes, you're right. A bit of a gaffe that the repugs had to get all dorky and uptight white guy with. For the record, I think it was taken out of context, but I still had issue with his speech. I have issue with Barry anyway, so that's nothing new.
"Gentle in what you do, Firm in how you do it"
- Buck Brannaman
