So... that torture report

Sangoma · Post by **Sangoma** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 10:36 pm

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
That, of course, was for the general public. Those of us who are above the average know how to tweak it to make it fork for the better good.
You do realize that there's more than one sentence in the Declaration of Independence, don't you? The rest of them are important too.
It doesn't matter.
I hope you don't read like this in your professional life.

The last two sentences of the Declaration are the most important ones.
I disagree. I think the one I quoted is more important one.
Putting your life on the line is more important than sentiment.
That's true. Why it has to be life on the line though is something that keeps amusing me every time. But I am not going to waste my time debating this.
Debate what? That's exactly what they did when they signed their names. You do realize they wrote it during wartime right?

You're missing my point. Most likely because of my comprehension skills (lack thereof). Never mind.

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 1:10 am

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Chill your Godwin.

Using the backdrop of WW2 is perfectly reasonable....plus I gave you a softball, WW2 Germany is probably one of the only times in recent memory where the crushing defeat of a country led to a wholesale rethinking of their national identity in a lasting way.

Ideas fall in an out of favor, almost never based on force or threats of force. The fact no one is ready to embrace is that ACTUAL the threat posed by wahabi nutbirds is not even a blip compared to our past conflicts. I'd put their chances at long term success right around the same as the Amish. In 50 years theses dune coons will be a tourist attraction....regardless of our World Police efforts.

The Nazi's are not a great example, fascism in general is a better. Communism is a better one still. Those were what I was referring to. Our military efforts, and the threat of military action, were critical to the death of communism. Modern communism has no life outside of universities, and even that kind is pretty mild.

Regions of the world with tons of poor people, especially oil rich regions, is in nobody's best interest long term.

Blaidd Drwg · Post by **Blaidd Drwg** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 5:42 am

Oh lord.....we should stop talking now. If you truly believe our "military efforts "played anywhere near as significant a role in the unraveling of the iron curtain...as say..their own terrible ideas...well there just not much to talk about.

The US has not dominated a significant foe militarily since ww2....our dominance is utterly economic and cultural.

Kenny X · Post by **Kenny X** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 4:09 pm

I often think sometimes that places like Switzerland, France, Norway etc. chuckle at us (the US), and think "They *think* they have a powerful economy, and that they're an economic superpower, and we let them think that, but everybody over here knows the US is in-debt up to it's eyeballs with China, and the whole machine will probably collapse, right around the time we're surpassing them."

This is the new Third World, everybody. Just you wait an see.

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 7:52 pm

If you really think that China or Switzerland is outpacing the US...I suggest you travel more.

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:13 am

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Oh lord.....we should stop talking now. If you truly believe our "military efforts "played anywhere near as significant a role in the unraveling of the iron curtain...as say..their own terrible ideas...well there just not much to talk about.

The US has not dominated a significant foe militarily since ww2....our dominance is utterly economic and cultural.

Stop your Howard Zinn. Our military spending and action was absolutely a major influence on Soviet and Chicom policy and action.

johno · Post by **johno** » Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:27 am

I'm pretty sure Nazi Germany would have eventually fallen on its own.

Blaidd Drwg · Post by **Blaidd Drwg** » Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:28 am

Stop your Reagan delusionals...,

I have no idea wtf Zinn is saying these days but my high school social studies teacher was laying out the collapse of the curtain in 1986... We may have outspent them.... That's economic might. We never went head to head with an actual power and won... And you know this.

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Thu Jan 01, 2015 3:16 am

Blaidd Drwg wrote:my high school social studies teacher said...

Blaidd Drwg · Post by **Blaidd Drwg** » Thu Jan 01, 2015 3:37 am

Turdacious wrote:
Blaidd Drwg wrote:my high school social studies teacher said...

Yeah....it was that obvious that even a liberal arts major pot smokin wrestling coach knows you can't take credit for a cultural disaster centuries in the making.

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Thu Jan 01, 2015 5:26 pm

Blaidd Drwg wrote:
Turdacious wrote:
Blaidd Drwg wrote:my high school social studies teacher said...
Yeah....it was that obvious that even a liberal arts major pot smokin wrestling coach knows you can't take credit for a cultural disaster centuries in the making.

Military spending, and the ability to afford it, has been a major factor in conflict since the dawn of recorded history. Unless your high school teacher says differently of coarse.

Blaidd Drwg · Post by **Blaidd Drwg** » Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:09 pm

You have had your ass so thoroughly whipped on this thread you're gonna fall back on that semantic nonsense?

Dolla dolla bills yo...not shots fired. its that simple. However you chose to frame it, American spending power and culture is the greatest colonizing force since 1948. Our threats of force and fitful expressions of it have consistently fallen well short of that monster.

Jesus Christ....happy new year, son.

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:49 pm

Blaidd Drwg wrote:You have had your ass so thoroughly whipped on this thread

If your teacher told you so, I guess it must be true.

powerlifter54 · Post by **powerlifter54** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:12 pm

Boy this thread went off. Anyway.

Paris. Acceptable loss?

So if we don't use EI after we catch them, and won't actively use Human or Electronic Intell in the countries and neighborhoods where they grow like weeds, what do we do?

BTW, rule 1 at SERE school is everybody talks.

johno · Post by **johno** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:44 pm

PL, ten thousand Parisians carrying candles & signs saying Je suis Charlie will shame Abdul, and the attacks will stop.
Milk & cookies would be the force multiplier.

IGX

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