No fuckin' thank you to sending US troops to Ukraine

[Gene]

NATO never invited Ukraine to be a member. Nobody talked about putting nukes in Ukraine. You are spouting nonsense.

Ukraine wants to join. NATO is stroking them. Georgia also wanted to join.

NATO won't rule it out.

"Ukraine and Georgia, both of which expressed interest in MAP in the 2000s, have yet to be allowed to participate, despite receiving vague promises from NATO leaders in 2008 that they would be welcomed in at some point in the future."

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/nationa ... t/2813488/

Already been nukes in Ukraine. The US Navy have been making ports of call to Ukraine for some time now. Do they have nukes? They will neither confirm or deny.

Maybe you didn't know this, but the Soviets would harass US Navy vessels in the Black Sea. This was why.

[Gene]

What's with all the map-making, comrade?

Another useless gesture....

We've been pushing back against Russian expansion since the end of WWII.

Who's we, Gramps and who are they?

From 1921 to 1991 there was this thing called the Soviet Union. The main language was Russian. For a lot of its history a Georgian and Ukrainian ran the country. Stalin (Dzhugashvili) and Khrushchev.

A lot of people called them "Russians" during the Cold war but they weren't. The USSR was a messianic state, full of people who wanted to save the planet from Capitalism. They were building socialism, but wanted to be communist some day. Some day never came.

I don't recall Russia doing much expansion from 1992 to 2014...

The Georgians started the 2008 campaign.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-geor ... MO20090930

Later the Georgian President who started it, went to Ukraine. Shaakashvili.

Chechnya was complicated.... and the West had little to do with it, so no "We".

Syrian President Al-Assad invited the Russians to help them.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way ... ds-request

Please notice that I'm using "mainstream" media sources. No Kremlin propaganda.


Ukraine? There are no white and black hats in Ukraine.

If Ukraine is a victim of anything, it's a victim of people around the world trying to rip them off. This group of victimizers includes the US.

[Grandpa's Spells]

I wanna see the 2022 remake of Wolverines where they invade a Fox News state and everybody's like, "Well Biden's really provoked you guys, so yeah, totally, torture us and rape our daughters."

Ukraine? There are no white and black hats in Ukraine.

Between you and me, I didn't really think the "freedom fighters" in Afghanistan in the 80s were necessarily good guys. Russia is obviously our enemy and them getting absolutely wrecked militarily while trying to do bad things is good.

They've been openly talking about imperialist expansion for years. Given what they're trying to do, Russia getting Worldstar'd in Ukraine is awesome.

[Ronald RayGun]

Enough! Quit pretending like you fuck-faces actually give a fuck about Whitetrashistan. You don't. Keep up with the thoroughly meaningless keystrokes, tho. Ya'll on some ol' "thoughts & prayers" shit. Just quit faking it. You don't care and neither do I.

[Gene]

I wanna see the 2022 remake of Wolverines where they invade a Fox News state and everybody's like, "Well Biden's really provoked you guys, so yeah, totally, torture us and rape our daughters."

Red Dawn was a story about Soviet imperialism. That all ended on Dec 26 1991.

Gramps, are you trying to imply that I need to resist "Putler" and be a good American, fall in line behind the Neo-Con activists of both parties?

Haven't we had enough Neo-Con bullshit for one century?

Ukraine? There are no white and black hats in Ukraine.

Between you and me, I didn't really think the "freedom fighters" in Afghanistan in the 80s were necessarily good guys. Russia is obviously our enemy and them getting absolutely wrecked militarily while trying to do bad things is good.

The US under Jimmy Carter saw an opportunity. Was Brzezinski's idea. He called the Soviets "russians" too but he's a Rockefeller hireling. They hire for brilliance not for clarity. Brzezinski is also Polish and they have attitudes about everyone to the east. They don't like Ukrainians either - Bandera was a bastard to Polish people.

His comments on Muslims bears reading, and I agree with them.

https://www.outlookindia.com/website/st ... een/213722

The Afghan Resistance to the evangelical socialist invasion of the USSR was pretty diverse. Different people. Different kinds of Islam.

The Taliban were Deobandi school Muslims who survived the Afghan Civil war. Mostly Pashtun. They got help from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.



I see Russia and China as rivals to the US. We need to start to negotiate a multipolar world. Such a world is a reality. We Americans are pissing away money and people pretending otherwise.

[Gene]

They've been openly talking about imperialist expansion for years.

I think you're talking shit, Gramps. Russia has groaned about "stranded Russians" since the 1990s. Until 2014 they did not take land from anyone.

Chechnya has belonged to Russia since the 1800s. Shaakashvili started the war in 2008.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-geor ... MO20090930



This shit with Russia is a bunch of Oligarchs in the US, UK and Brussels who want to do to Russia what they did to Ukraine. Take it over with friendly politicians, saddle it with loans then whore it out.

The book "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" describes the process pretty well.

[Turdacious]

https://nypost.com/2022/06/23/ukrainian ... wires/amp/

[nafod]

I am loving what Ukraine is doing to Russia.

What Russia has done to Ukraine is give it the origin story of a new, modern nation, a victory paid for in blood, never to be forgotten.

I expect after the Russians finally get smart and shit-can Putin, then Ukraine and Russia can establish a mutually beneficial economic relationship.

The fact that NATO hasn’t taken advantage of Russia’s weakened state to attack is proof that Russias argument that NATO would attack is bullshit.

Putin was soooooooo stupid invading Ukraine. So incredibly stupid.

[Gene]

I am loving what Ukraine is doing to Russia.

What Russia has done to Ukraine is give it the origin story of a new, modern nation, a victory paid for in blood, never to be forgotten.

I agree. Russia is showing Ukrainians who their true friends are.... and those friends are not to be found in the EU or US.

A good friend would not have allowed Ukraine to bleed while giving them such pitiful amounts of weapons.

NATO refuses to give Ukraine fighter jets.

https://thehill.com/policy/internationa ... afraid-of/

Zelenski asks for more weapons...

https://www.timesofisrael.com/zelensky- ... r-support/

The US sent a dozen HIMARS systems to Ukraine.

https://www.defensenews.com/land/2022/0 ... o-ukraine/

NATO's own words....

"Ukraine is not a NATO member. Ukraine is a NATO partner country, which means that it cooperates closely with NATO but it is not covered by the security guarantee in the Alliance’s founding treaty."

"NATO’s actions are defensive, designed not to provoke conflict but to prevent conflict. The Alliance has a responsibility to ensure that this war does not escalate and spread beyond Ukraine, which would be even more devastating and dangerous. Enforcing a no-fly zone would bring NATO forces into direct conflict with Russia. This would significantly escalate the war and lead to more human suffering and destruction for all countries involved."

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_192648.htm

Putin was correct - the West is fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian.

[Gene]

I expect after the Russians finally get smart and shit-can Putin, then Ukraine and Russia can establish a mutually beneficial economic relationship.

You've been consuming too much Wall Street and City of London agitprop.

Here's the facts, Nafod....

Putin's Party, United Russia, dominates the country. They hold down double the percentages of other parties.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/109 ... y-ratings/

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2021 ... ns-wrap-up

Russia has nowhere to go, Nafod.

Like Biden Putin has an insurance policy. His name is Dimitre Medvedev.

""In this case, Western countries will no longer be able to stay in their clean houses and apartments, laughing at how they masterfully weaken Russia by proxy. Everything around them will be on fire. Their people will experience trouble in full. The earth will be on fire and concrete will melt in the truest sense of the word. We will get to experience big problems as well. Everyone will be in big, big trouble."

See more at https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/15 ... ussia_war/"

The fact that NATO hasn’t taken advantage of Russia’s weakened state to attack is proof that Russias argument that NATO would attack is bullshit.

A result of Mutual Assured Destruction. Brussels doesn't want to glow in the dark. For now.

They are continent to harass, annoy and punish.

Putin was soooooooo stupid invading Ukraine. So incredibly stupid.

I think even Putin was unhappy about it. He excused it by saying that Zelenski wanted to go east to "cleanse" Donbass. Shoigu certainly said it.

https://www.republicworld.com/world-new ... eshow.html


We should have told 'Toria Nuland to go fuck herself.

[Gene]

Duplicate post....

[nafod]

pitiful amounts of weapons.

What we’ve given them that is most important, and that can’t be sold off to terrorists or used against us later if things go South, is intelligence.

[Shafpocalypse Now]

While we watch this dumpster fire of old trash and dried up dog shit burn, India and China are joyfully advancing the cause of being the dominant powers in the world.

You know China and India has a weird thing going on at their border, right?

https://www.the-sun.com/news/2368961/vi ... al-battle/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/vikrammitt ... 5167f3192d

[Grandpa's Spells]

[nafod]

You know China and India has a weird thing going on at their border, right?

It’s kind of weirdly awesome.

[Ronald RayGun]

I get that cats here love "dunking" on eachother, but be real for a sec ... you ultimately don't give a fuck about this human-toxic-waste war. Get some sleep. Go to work. Shit out some uterus-turds. Repeat. You don't care and you know it.

[Gene]

I get that cats here love "dunking" on eachother, but be real for a sec ... you ultimately don't give a fuck about this human-toxic-waste war. Get some sleep. Go to work. Shit out some uterus-turds. Repeat. You don't care and you know it.

Some of see the battle of Russia against Ukraine as resistance to Western Corporate Interests who are trying to trash our lives, and to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids with experimental vaccines and unwanted additives to drinking water.

Joe Biden has been a Corporate whore since the 1970s. Biden sponsored Civil Forfeiture laws, mandatory sentences and "gun control". Biden served as Obama's "action officer" in Ukraine. Biden arranged the dismissal of a Ukrainian Prosecutor by withholding a loan guarantee until Ukraine obeyed him. Who was that Special Prosecutor investigating and what did Joe have to do with him? Biden boasted of doing this in front of the Council of Foreign Relations. Joe's son, Hunter Biden, was hired by Burisma Holdings for $50,000 a month. Hunter's job was a bribe to Joe Biden.

A defeat for Ukraine is a defeat for Joe Biden and his Elitist Democrats.

A defeat for Joe Biden and his Elitist Democrats is a repudiation of Corporate supremacy and crony capitalism.

A defeat of Corporate supremacy and crony capitalism is a victory for average Americans, for their autonomy and the integrity and purity of their precious bodily fluids.

[Gene]

This is why the Democrats fight....

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2016 was the "year of the woman". Hillary's year. Hillary's Presidency. Her Presidency.

Vladimir Putin feared a strong woman. Many unrepentant white American males, fearful of losing their Patriarchal and White privileges, fought the historical necessity of a strong woman. Out of 160,000,000 American women Hillary was the natural choice, the only alternative, the right one.

Hillary's values were America's values. Progressive thought is the only correct and true thought. Obviously retention of privilege was the basis of rejecting her.

Putin interfered with the 2016 Election to promote his friend, hireling and blackmail victim Donald Trump.

Trump rewarded Putin by sending hundreds of millions of dollars of military aid to Ukraine, by leaving US forces in Syria, and by sanctioning Russians. Democrats ignore these fine points - Hillary would have stood up to Putin. Too.

A victory for Ukraine is a repudiation of Hillary's lost Presidency, stolen from her by Vladimir Putin and overly toxic masculine males who refuse to forgo their historical white and patriarchal privileges, and refuse to behave in a repentant and properly feminine manner.

[nafod]

Some of see the battle of Russia against Ukraine as resistance to Western Corporate Interests who are trying to trash our lives, and to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids with experimental vaccines and unwanted additives to drinking water.

Good old libertarian Russia, home of the gulag archipelago.

[Gene]

Some of see the battle of Russia against Ukraine as resistance to Western Corporate Interests who are trying to trash our lives, and to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids with experimental vaccines and unwanted additives to drinking water.

Good old libertarian Russia, home of the gulag archipelago.

https://www.unicor.gov/

https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/19 ... in-the-us/

https://www.govexec.com/management/2017 ... rs/141739/

[Gene]

Retired US General threatens strikes on the Black Sea fleet or Crimea if Russia uses nukes in Ukraine.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... neral.html

So.... who wants to trade New York for St. Petersburg? I don't but I'm a nobody.

[nafod]

So.... who wants to trade New York for St. Petersburg?

Not Russia, I bet.

Ukraine is saving all of the Baltic nations from the Russia invasion that was to follow. They’re fighting for the values that we are supposed to hold dear. I am unwilling to sacrifice them to Russia in order to win your fight against coney capitalism.

[Turdacious]

This is why the Democrats fight....

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2016 was the "year of the woman". Hillary's year. Hillary's Presidency. Her Presidency.

Dux you need to ban @ now or it needs to apologize. This kind of pron has no place here.

[Gene]

So.... who wants to trade New York for St. Petersburg?

Not Russia, I bet.

Ukraine is saving all of the Baltic nations from the Russia invasion that was to follow.

Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania joined NATO in 2004. If Russia goes in, it's Article 5 of the NATO treaty and then war. Poland, Germany and Denmark are also NATO members.

France and the UK have nuclear weapons.

Russia and Finland have had no disputes in decades. Sweden has not fought Russia since the battle of Poltava, which was in 1709.

Maybe you want to claim that NATO would have prevented the 2014 takeover of east Ukraine? What was the excuse from 1991 to 2014 when the Russians responded to one pissant Georgian who "wanted back" S. Ossetia and Abkhasia and the Persian Gulf follies in the Caucasus region of Russia? Was Russia "too weak"? Was Russia satisfied with Dioxin poisoning of Viktor Yushchenko and Yanukovich?

They’re fighting for the values that we are supposed to hold dear.

Uh, no, not quite.

These are photos of the Azov Regiment. In one they are holding a banner with the Wolfsangel, a Teutonic symbol, one adopted by the SS. The second one is kind of obvious.

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This is among the people that we are supporting over there. I feel bad for ordinary Ukrainians who have to suffer such "compatriots".


The US is not a democracy. We're a Constitutional Republic, if we can keep it.

[Gene]

They’re fighting for the values that we are supposed to hold dear. I am unwilling to sacrifice them to Russia in order to win your fight against coney capitalism.

Crony capitalism has been the mother's milk of US Progressives since 1933. Partnerships between government and industry.

One of the manifestations of this crap has been stupid little wars that serve no purpose. Korea, Vietnam, the Persian Gulf, nation building in Afghanistan, Iraq... and now Ukraine.

We left Saigon in 1975. We fled Kabul last year.

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We'll run away from Kyiv. Like we ran away so many other times. Someone spent taxpayers money. Mission accomplished.

Ukraine isn't ours to give, to take or to save. The EU could have helped, they did not offend Russia. We Americans have been the main enemy since the 1950s. We should have butted out just to spare Ukraine extra pain.